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German Woman, 95, Charged With Complicity In More Than 10,000 Murders During WWII

Countryboy

Swinger
Link (NPR)

Good to see the people responsible are still being charged. Just a shame they didn't do it at the time.
A few snippets:

"German prosecutors have filed charges against a 95-year-old woman they say was complicit in the murder of more than 10,000 people at the Stutthof concentration camp during World War II. The woman worked as a typist and secretary. Despite her age, the case is being handled by a juvenile court because she was under 21 when she worked at the camp.

Speaking at her home in a retirement community, the woman also said that she wasn't aware of mass poisonings or other acts of genocide — in part because her office window faced outward from the camp."
 

Daz

LE
Link (NPR)

Good to see the people responsible are still being charged. Just a shame they didn't do it at the time.
A few snippets:

"German prosecutors have filed charges against a 95-year-old woman they say was complicit in the murder of more than 10,000 people at the Stutthof concentration camp during World War II. The woman worked as a typist and secretary. Despite her age, the case is being handled by a juvenile court because she was under 21 when she worked at the camp.

Speaking at her home in a retirement community, the woman also said that she wasn't aware of mass poisonings or other acts of genocide — in part because her office window faced outward from the camp."
Pointless waste of time
 
Link (NPR)

Good to see the people responsible are still being charged. Just a shame they didn't do it at the time.
A few snippets:

"German prosecutors have filed charges against a 95-year-old woman they say was complicit in the murder of more than 10,000 people at the Stutthof concentration camp during World War II. The woman worked as a typist and secretary. Despite her age, the case is being handled by a juvenile court because she was under 21 when she worked at the camp.

Speaking at her home in a retirement community, the woman also said that she wasn't aware of mass poisonings or other acts of genocide — in part because her office window faced outward from the camp."
She wasn't working in a DNA lab at the time was she?

Germany's phantom serial killer
 
Link (NPR)

Good to see the people responsible are still being charged. Just a shame they didn't do it at the time.
A few snippets:

"German prosecutors have filed charges against a 95-year-old woman they say was complicit in the murder of more than 10,000 people at the Stutthof concentration camp during World War II. The woman worked as a typist and secretary. Despite her age, the case is being handled by a juvenile court because she was under 21 when she worked at the camp.

Speaking at her home in a retirement community, the woman also said that she wasn't aware of mass poisonings or other acts of genocide — in part because her office window faced outward from the camp."

if she is 95 now then she would have been born in 1926/27 so presumably she was a typist somewhere around the age of 17-19 and if the article is to believed a civilian and not a member of the SS or an active participant in the killings. Was she aware of what was going on - no doubt, but what could she have done about it and what would have been the consequence to her if she had? - I'm not sure what I would have done at that time and place under that authoritarian regime where an individuals crimes/misdeeds were often also taken out on their extended family

personally, unless they have proof she actually killed people I dont see the point in charging her now because it would also mean that any civilian working for any organisation that has people in it who breaks the law or does something heinous is automatically equally guilty by association.

- that is a very slippery slope and we only have to consider Bush and Blair taking us into an illegal war that killed thousands of innocents based on a trumped up dodgy dossier so, it could be argued that every civilian 19 year old secretary or other low ranking person who had any involvement from admin point of view in support of Blairs actions was equally guilty - I know that Blair wasn't legally held to account in the end but if he had been, then everyone below him should have been charged following the same logic.

to me, this action appears to be a 'seen to be doing the right thing' rather than something that is needed to a woman who will probably die in the near future anyway
 
I'm not sure what I would have done at that time and place under that authoritarian regime where an individuals crimes/misdeeds were often also taken out on their extended family

Except for the rather awkward fact the Nazis didn't take anything out on the families of people and service personnel who declined to be involved in mass murder.

Going to work in the camps was a voluntary pastime, and there was never any shortage of volunteers.
 

4(T)

LE
Except for the rather awkward fact the Nazis didn't take anything out on the families of people and service personnel who declined to be involved in mass murder.

Going to work in the camps was a voluntary pastime, and there was never any shortage of volunteers.


I think civvies in WW2 generally had to work to survive and support their families. I doubt this woman competed for the position just to enjoy a bit of jew-killing, she was probably just posted into the job and had to get on with it.

Its worth noting that all of Hitler's own personal secretaries were ordinary commercial secretaries who were hired into local civic administration jobs and were then passed up the chain to the top office. None of them were Nazi party members, none of them had sought out proximity to power, and none of them were held guilty of any crime in the aftermath.

If the authorities are now forced to scrape the barrel to prosecute (then) teenagers, perhaps they'd have been better off taking up Stalin's suggestion of executing the 100,000 most senior Germans the allies could round uip and have done with it.
 
personally, unless they have proof she actually killed people I dont see the point in charging her now because it would also mean that any civilian working for any organisation that has people in it who breaks the law or does something heinous is automatically equally guilty by association.
Nor do I really...but then I'm not remotely connected with any historic victims.
How do we pick and choose culpability and select the weak who complied, and those who knew fine who was up to what? It's been OK for the developed world to buy millions of Beetles, Porkers etc...best forget Ferdinand's excellent work developing tanks while brown-nosing Adolf & his gang while getting Reich funded factories built.
He joined the SS 2/3 years prior to 1939 Poland. His choice.

Then there was Von Braun the other 1600 experts & sometimes Nazi connected scientists the West nabbed
But then again, I'm not related to any Doodle-Bug or V2 Blitz victims either.
The 95 years old needs named & shamed maximum in my view if & only if it can be proven beyond doubt she knew the score..and had alternatives.

Let's not forget...the Jewish Camp Stubeniensts who were given a big stick to beat up, police, and assist in death selections just on the promise of an additional lump of bread, a better bed, and warmer clothing...plus not being selected themselves....for a while more. What would we do with them?
Fat chance 80 years later. It's more than likely she was, like thousands, brow beaten / wage slaved (perhaps including some subversive "threats" of not so nice alternatives) into doing a job, shutting up, and living with it.
It's equally possible she was just another example of countless thousands of brain-washed school aged youngster & blue eyed daughter of The 3rd Reich.
 
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Interesting case from two points, one juvenile law may well have been different then, but now the maximum sentence would be 10 years, not that she's likely to live that long anyway. Two, all offences except murder are subject to a statute of limitations, so if she was not directly involved in the act of murder anything she did back then has long since expired.
 
I think civvies in WW2 generally had to work to survive and support their families. I doubt this woman competed for the position just to enjoy a bit of jew-killing, she was probably just posted into the job and had to get on with it.

Its worth noting that all of Hitler's own personal secretaries were ordinary commercial secretaries who were hired into local civic administration jobs and were then passed up the chain to the top office. None of them were Nazi party members, none of them had sought out proximity to power, and none of them were held guilty of any crime in the aftermath.

If the authorities are now forced to scrape the barrel to prosecute (then) teenagers, perhaps they'd have been better off taking up Stalin's suggestion of executing the 100,000 most senior Germans the allies could round uip and have done with it.


There was a Fuhrer Befehl in 1942 that instructed that anyone lacking in good National Socialist ardour to work in the camps was to be given a transfer out.
Strangely enough, very few partook of that option. Working in camps was cozy work, and very financially rewarding.
 
Very deadly that German tipex.
Hard to type up the reports and returns, yet claim "I knew nothing".

Wouldn't you rather she'd said "I was young, didn't know any better, and everyone around me behaved as if mass-murder of 'others' was the right thing to do. Now I know differently, and I regret my involvement". If she's unrepentant, or trying to claim total ignorance? No sympathy. Here's the counter-example.

Now double away and watch Jo-Jo Rabbit :)
 
The prosecution of an old biddy may help assuage the guilt of those who allowed the top industrialists and real architects of the Final Solution, those who profited from slave labour, to walk free, in pursuit of the West's sudden need to face down the new enemy in the East.
 

ches

LE
There was a Fuhrer Befehl in 1942 that instructed that anyone lacking in good National Socialist ardour to work in the camps was to be given a transfer out.
Strangely enough, very few partook of that option. Working in camps was cozy work, and very financially rewarding.

PhotEx is pretty spot on with his posts. There is very little if any evidence of troops facing any serious censure for refusing to take part in executions (Ordinary Men shows many examples of named individuals as a starter for ten). A civvy saying no thanks, not my scene & asking to be re-assigned would face even less possibility of censure. While she may not have had first hand experience of genocide, she was a willing participant in the final solution & while young (as a lot obviously were) it shouldn't exclude her from facing the music.
I do like the idea of low level participants who are found guilty being named & shamed esp where prison isnt a viable option.
 

sirbhp

LE
Book Reviewer
Link (NPR)

Good to see the people responsible are still being charged. Just a shame they didn't do it at the time.
A few snippets:

"German prosecutors have filed charges against a 95-year-old woman they say was complicit in the murder of more than 10,000 people at the Stutthof concentration camp during World War II. The woman worked as a typist and secretary. Despite her age, the case is being handled by a juvenile court because she was under 21 when she worked at the camp.

Speaking at her home in a retirement community, the woman also said that she wasn't aware of mass poisonings or other acts of genocide — in part because her office window faced outward from the camp."
great stuff lets folks know theres no statute of limitations on genocide. what they going to do take her false teeth away for a year or so ? seems the humane thing to do
 
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