German President invited to Cenotaph.

difficult to say what it was, but it was cetainly anti Japan. Dad was there with the RASC in 1927 through to about 1932 according to his pay book and he definitely had a lot of time for the Chinese. However given that the Nationalists and the communists were having a bit of a barney at the time, his view was they shot and asked questions later.
that's better than 'some countries' who just shoot first and then shoot again, and then just to make sure, several times more


Yes, I'm looking at you America
 
That sir, is profound and probably right
When Midnight Oil pinched the line for their song "Forgotten Years" they changed the meaning completely - the original, Exodus 20:5 is very 'Old Testament'

Christianity, the religion of peace, love and forgiveness my arse
 
When Midnight Oil pinched the line for their song "Forgotten Years" they changed the meaning completely - the original, Exodus 20:5 is very 'Old Testament'

Christianity, the religion of peace, love and forgiveness my arse
Nope that's Judaeism which is the OT. Christianity as preached by -no not Jeremy-JC . But it reverted to the original by the Christian church.
 
Then the Jews should sue the Christians for breach of copywrite

Wasn't it God who said 'I am a jealous and grumpy twat' or some such?
 
that's better than 'some countries' who just shoot first and then shoot again, and then just to make sure, several times more


Yes, I'm looking at you America
Yers but there is a corolary to that. If one shoots first and the bugger is killed, the issue of asking questions later is a bit pointless-"Confucious" he say. According to dad, what little he said, "if it moved, either side shot at it."
 
I believe, as @Helm mentioned, the commemoration will be focused 1914/18. There was a misunderstanding between 1939/45 however the veterans I have spoken to hold no grudge against the Germans as fighting soldiers. The Japanese are a different matter with our veterans (and both my grandads were Burma Star).
My bold … Japan fought on our side in WW1 against the Germans & Austro Hungarians, mainly in the Pacific region where they invaded most of the German possessions there. Later there were naval involvements in the Indian Ocean and even some in the Mediterranean!
Japan during World War I - Wikipedia
snip "On 18 December 1916 the British Admiralty again requested naval assistance from Japan. Two of the four cruisers of the First Special Squadron at Singapore were sent to Cape Town, South Africa, and four destroyers were sent to the Mediterranean for basing out of Malta. Rear-Admiral Sato Kozo on the cruiser Akashi and 10th and 11th destroyer units (eight destroyers) arrived in Malta on 13 April 1917 via Colombo and Port Said. Eventually this Second Special Squadron totalled during the war 3 cruisers (Akashi, Izumo, Nisshin), 14 destroyers (8 Kaba-class, 4 Momo-class, 2 ex-British Acorn-class), 2 sloops, 1 tender (Kanto).
The Second Special Squadron carried out escort duties for troop transports and anti-submarine operations. No ship was lost, but on 11 June 1917 a Kaba-class destroyer (Sakaki) was hit by a torpedo from an Austro-Hungarian submarine (U 27) off Crete; 59 Japanese sailors died. The Japanese squadron made a total of 348 escort sorties from Malta, escorting 788 ships containing around 700,000 soldiers, thus contributing greatly to the war effort. A further 7,075 people were rescued from damaged and sinking ships. In return for this assistance, Great Britain recognized Japan's territorial gains in Shantung and in the Pacific islands north of the equator.
With the American entry into World War I on 6 April 1917, the United States and Japan found themselves on the same side, despite their increasingly acrimonious relations over China and competition for influence in the Pacific. This led to the Lansing–Ishii Agreement of 2 November 1917 to help reduce tensions.
In late 1917, Japan exported 12 Arabe-class destroyers, based on Kaba-class design, to France
."

I agree WW2 was a totally different scenario and I too have met & talked to men who fought against them & some who had the misfortune to be prisoners of them. To a man they hated and would not forgive the Japanese for the bestial and inhumane way they treated their prisoners. I particularly remember one chap who fought them in Burma telling me of the way his battalion together with a squadron of flame throwing tanks, towards the end of the war, having to clear an Island of what was believed to be several thousand Japanese. Not ONE prisoner was taken after they had seen first hand the treatment our prisoners had suffered after being captured.
I was fortunate enough to have met whilst on business in the USA, a manager of a Mid Western Company I was dealing with who had been in the USMC in the Pacific, who also had similar experiences & still hated the Japs!
 
People also often forget Brazil was a major contributor to the Allied cause and fought in Italy in WW2
 

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In the spirit of all this forgiveness, will Gerry Adams be attending and laying a poppy wreath ?
No, his representative will be Jeremy Corbyn
 
No acid attacks? Not very inclusive, progressive or diverse* of you.

You need to get woke.

* Other buzzwords are available.


Well I thought that "Honour Killings" could have covered some of that, but yes I am remiss and will sentence myself to a re-education gulag in penance :-(
 
My bold … Japan fought on our side in WW1 against the Germans & Austro Hungarians, mainly in the Pacific region where they invaded most of the German possessions there. Later there were naval involvements in the Indian Ocean and even some in the Mediterranean!
Japan during World War I - Wikipedia
snip "On 18 December 1916 the British Admiralty again requested naval assistance from Japan. Two of the four cruisers of the First Special Squadron at Singapore were sent to Cape Town, South Africa, and four destroyers were sent to the Mediterranean for basing out of Malta. Rear-Admiral Sato Kozo on the cruiser Akashi and 10th and 11th destroyer units (eight destroyers) arrived in Malta on 13 April 1917 via Colombo and Port Said. Eventually this Second Special Squadron totalled during the war 3 cruisers (Akashi, Izumo, Nisshin), 14 destroyers (8 Kaba-class, 4 Momo-class, 2 ex-British Acorn-class), 2 sloops, 1 tender (Kanto).
The Second Special Squadron carried out escort duties for troop transports and anti-submarine operations. No ship was lost, but on 11 June 1917 a Kaba-class destroyer (Sakaki) was hit by a torpedo from an Austro-Hungarian submarine (U 27) off Crete; 59 Japanese sailors died. The Japanese squadron made a total of 348 escort sorties from Malta, escorting 788 ships containing around 700,000 soldiers, thus contributing greatly to the war effort. A further 7,075 people were rescued from damaged and sinking ships. In return for this assistance, Great Britain recognized Japan's territorial gains in Shantung and in the Pacific islands north of the equator.
With the American entry into World War I on 6 April 1917, the United States and Japan found themselves on the same side, despite their increasingly acrimonious relations over China and competition for influence in the Pacific. This led to the Lansing–Ishii Agreement of 2 November 1917 to help reduce tensions.
In late 1917, Japan exported 12 Arabe-class destroyers, based on Kaba-class design, to France
."

I agree WW2 was a totally different scenario and I too have met & talked to men who fought against them & some who had the misfortune to be prisoners of them. To a man they hated and would not forgive the Japanese for the bestial and inhumane way they treated their prisoners. I particularly remember one chap who fought them in Burma telling me of the way his battalion together with a squadron of flame throwing tanks, towards the end of the war, having to clear an Island of what was believed to be several thousand Japanese. Not ONE prisoner was taken after they had seen first hand the treatment our prisoners had suffered after being captured.
I was fortunate enough to have met whilst on business in the USA, a manager of a Mid Western Company I was dealing with who had been in the USMC in the Pacific, who also had similar experiences & still hated the Japs!
Good research covering the opposite Japanese poles of the Japanese in the world wars and also that the allies were not above reproach (caveated due to circumstances)

As I've said previously, where does one put the point on the time line of friend and enemy?

Let's not forget the instances of opposing troops (frontline, not rear echelon) sharing rations after a bloody battle and surrender.
 
I would love one of our better historians to write a book about how the narrative of the First World War was hi-jacked in the years that followed by multiple interests pushing their preferred line.
Not only has it been written about, it was written about in the 1970s by an American....

Paul Fussell, The Great War and Modern Memory. Still up there with Gerard J deGroot's Blighty: British Society in the Era of the Great War as the only two books to read on WW1 if you only read 2 books on WW1. Dealing with Britain anyway.
 
Need to round up a few Eastern European Premiers to rep the Austro-Hungarian Empire
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Viktor Orbán would/should be more than welcome . . .

The Hungarian prime minister, Viktor Orbán, has thanked Conservative MEPs for their “solidarity” in voting against European Union action to protect the rule of law in his country.



In a signed letter to MEPs who voted with his Fidesz party, Orbán expressed his appreciation of “the support you’ve shown towards national sovereignty and solidarity during the vote”.

Hungarian PM thanks UK Tory MEPs who voted against sanctions

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[DRIFT]

Viktor Orbán would/should be more than welcome . . .

The Hungarian prime minister, Viktor Orbán, has thanked Conservative MEPs for their “solidarity” in voting against European Union action to protect the rule of law in his country.



In a signed letter to MEPs who voted with his Fidesz party, Orbán expressed his appreciation of “the support you’ve shown towards national sovereignty and solidarity during the vote”.

Hungarian PM thanks UK Tory MEPs who voted against sanctions

He's a ghastly conpiricist and anti Semite who's systematically undermining the independence of the judiciary, press and speech in Hungary.
 
Taking into consideration the contributions over seven pages, it would seem the consensus is that some form of joint commemoration to “celebrate” the end of WW1 would be appropriate.

However, as the Remembrance Parade at the Cenotaph, in London, is a particularly British event, maybe it would be better - more appropriate - for the end of WW1 joint commemoration, to be a totally different event, and at a different location, and possibly (even) on a different day?! . . . although the 11th November this year is on a Sunday!!

We, the UK, has enough “Royals” to adequately attend two separate events on the same day!

"Also known as the Armistice of Compiègne from the place where it was signed, it came into force at 11 a.m. Paris time on 11 November 1918 ("the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month") and marked a victory for the Allies and a complete defeat for Germany, athough not formally a surrender".



Armistice of 11 November 1918 - Wikipedia
 

AfghanAndy

On ROPS
On ROPs
Will Jean Claude Juncker be wearing his Dad's old (Eastern Front) uniform?
Clue- Not the Luxembourg resistance one..........................................................................
I didn’t know that.

Please do post something that shows that so I can use it against @Higgs_bosun when he starts dribbling about a United europe
 
In the spirit of all this forgiveness, will Gerry Adams be attending and laying a poppy wreath ?
Of course he could attend, although to be fair I'm not sure he'll get to be the prime minister of Great Britain in time, so is likely to still just be a nobody who has no right to be there as he wouldn't be representing a country.

Why, do you think he has a chance of becoming PM in time?
 
Taking into consideration the contributions over seven pages, it would seem the consensus is that some form of joint commemoration to “celebrate” the end of WW1 would be appropriate.

However, as the Remembrance Parade at the Cenotaph, in London, is a particularly British event, maybe it would be better - more appropriate - for the end of WW1 joint commemoration, to be a totally different event, and at a different location, and possibly (even) on a different day?! . . . although the 11th November this year is on a Sunday!!

We, the UK, has enough “Royals” to adequately attend two separate events on the same day!

"Also known as the Armistice of Compiègne from the place where it was signed, it came into force at 11 a.m. Paris time on 11 November 1918 ("the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month") and marked a victory for the Allies and a complete defeat for Germany, athough not formally a surrender".



Armistice of 11 November 1918 - Wikipedia

Was that posted as a laugh, that's a genuine question.

I can't see too many leaders wanting to be reminded of that carriage and it's part in allowing Hitler to demonstrate his power and revenge over France in WW2 :)
 

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