'German militants' killed in Pakistan drone attack.

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That's eight more gone to hell!

BBC News - 'German militants' killed in Pakistan drone attack

At least eight al-Qaeda militants - some of whom were German nationals - have been killed in a drone attack in Pakistan, officials have told the BBC.

The suspected US drone fired two missiles at a house owned by a local tribesman in the Pakistani region of North Waziristan, the officials said.

At least three of the dead were said to be German, of Arab or Turkish origin.

There have been 26 such strikes in the area in the past month, killing several high-profile militants.

Analysts have linked the increasing frequency of US drone attacks with current reports of an alleged al-Qaeda plot to attack European cities.

Several countries have issued travel warnings to their citizens, and US intelligence sources have linked the plot to militants in Pakistan.
Local chief

The house hit in the latest attack was located in a village 3km (1.9 miles) from the main town of Mir Ali.

Local officials say the militants had come to visit tribal leader Sher Mullah, who has close links to Hafiz Gul Bahadur, the local Taliban chief.


The house was completely destroyed in the attack. In addition to those killed, several people were injured.

Local tribesmen described the dead men as Arabs, but said they did not know their identities.

The BBC's Syed Shoaib Hasan, in Karachi, says local people use the word Arab to describe anyone from the Middle East or even as far west as Turkey.

More than 150 people have died in drone attacks so far this year, including both militants and civilians.

Al-Qaeda's operations chief is believed to have been one of those killed in recent drone strikes.

Our correspondent says that the attacks have infuriated public opinion in Pakistan, which last week was further aggravated by border violations by Nato helicopters from Afghanistan.

Pakistan's government has subsequently clamped down on the supply of goods and fuel from Pakistan to Nato troops based in Afghanistan.
 
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Aljazeera
A suspected US drone strike has killed eight fighters in northwest Pakistan, with Pakistani intelligence officials saying that at least five of them were Germans.
They also said that the fighters killed in the attack in Mir Ali, North Waziristan, on Monday were members of the Jihad Islami group and the Germans were of Turkish origin.
Details of the incident could not be independently verified and both the US and German governments have yet to comment on the strike.
Al Jazeera's Kamal Hyder, reporting from the Pakistan capital Islamabad, said at least three women were also killed in the raid. There are reports of some children being killed too, he said.
"What is raising the alarm bells here is that despite the fact that there may be some evidence to suggest that these people are indeed militants, Germans in this case ... there is, of course, this apprehension that most of the time these strikes are taking place not caring about the civilian casualties."

'No big surprise'
Matthias Gebauer, the chief correspondent for German news magazine Der Spiegel, told Al Jazeera that while finding verified information on the attack had been difficult, news that German citizens may be among those killed in the strike "did not come as a big surprise".
"Because we know that about a couple of dozen German Islamists went from Germany to the Pakistani tribal belt, especially to Mir Ali," Gebauer said.
There are reports that al-Qaeda's leadership, increasingly restrained by missile strikes from US drones in northwest Pakistan, prizes such "home-grown" recruits as they have Western passports.
Pakistan's northwest region is seen by the US as a training ground for fighters. It has been hit with 21 drone attacks in September alone, the highest number in a single month.
Besides al-Qaeda fighters, the CIA has been trying to eliminate leaders of the Haqqani network, an Afghan Taliban faction operating out of North Waziristan.

Terror threat
Monday's attack came a day after the US and the UK warned of an increased risk of terrorist attacks in Europe.
The alerts about possible attacks in Europe highlight concern that growing numbers of fighters are going from the West to remote war zones for training with al-Qaeda.
The immediate trigger for Sunday's travel alerts was intelligence about a plot against European targets reportedly originating with a group of individuals in northern Pakistan, some of them believed to be European citizens.
Few details of the conspiracy are known. But the plot appears to be of the kind that Western officials believe poses the most significant danger - the use of so-called self-radicalised individuals with no previous record of extremism.
'Germans killed' in US drone strike - Central & South Asia - Al Jazeera English
 
#3
What is the legal position here then? Is visiting a " tribal leader" now an automatic death penalty offense?

Can the state now just kill people it doesn't like or suspect of being terrorists. That could make the checkin line at airports a bit more interesting.

Or is it just because they are in some foriegn place far away that the law doesn't count?

I am not saying these people were innocent victims but the idea of the state just killing people seems wrong to me.

I thought state sponsered assisination/terrorism (which is what this is) was a bad thing?
 

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#4
I'd like to think the last two words on their lips was "Achtung Spitfeur".
 
#5
Germany not ID'ing 5 militants killed in Pakistan

By MELISSA EDDY
Associated Press Writers

BERLIN (AP) -- German officials were tightlipped Tuesday about details surrounding a U.S. missile strike in Pakistan's rugged mountain border area that Pakistani officials say killed five German militants.

U.S. officials believe a cell of Germans and Britons are at the heart of a terror plot against European cities - a plan they link to al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden - and are believed to be hiding in that region.

Germany's ARD public television cited unnamed sources Tuesday as saying that four of the Germans killed in the missile attack were of Turkish descent.

The Foreign Ministry said late Monday it was investigating the reports, but did not return calls seeking comment Tuesday on the militants' identities.

The strikes in Pakistan came on the heels of a U.S. warning for Americans traveling in Europe to be on alert for possible terror attacks, on suspicion that groups linked to al-Qaida were plotting to target tourist magnets in European capitals. Japan also issued a travel warning.

Germany's Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere, however, insisted there was "no reason to be alarmist."

Konrad Freiberg, head of the German police union, told the Passauer Neue Presse in its Tuesday edition the travel alerts are to be taken seriously. He warned that ever more Germans are traveling to Afghanistan and Pakistan for militant training, "and a large number of them have returned and are living here."*

British police used sniffer dogs to patrol subways on Monday, while soldiers and mounted police were dispatched to two major churches in Paris - Notre Dame and Sacre Coeur. French paramilitary troops were also seen patrolling around the Eiffel Tower - which has been evacuated twice in recent weeks for unspecified threats.

The U.S. missile strike in Pakistan killed five German militants taking shelter in a house in the town of Mir Ali in North Waziristan, a known hub for foreign militants with links to al-Qaida, Pakistani intelligence officials said.

The terror cell said to be behind the Europe plot - eight Germans and a Briton - were believed to have been in hiding in the region. A second Briton was killed in a U.S. strike last month.
News from The Associated Press

*If the Germans would pass their particulars directly to the CIA, then perhaps the problem might be resolved.

B
 
#8
Surely it would have been 'Achtung, Hellfeur!'

Regards,
MM
 
#11
Thats all we need, "Heil Osama", bleedin nutters.
 
#12
I wonder if the US Drones could be persuaded to brass up Bradford ?
 
#13
What is the legal position here then? Is visiting a " tribal leader" now an automatic death penalty offense?

Can the state now just kill people it doesn't like or suspect of being terrorists. That could make the checkin line at airports a bit more interesting.

Or is it just because they are in some foriegn place far away that the law doesn't count?

I am not saying these people were innocent victims but the idea of the state just killing people seems wrong to me.

I thought state sponsered assisination/terrorism (which is what this is) was a bad thing?
Sod the legal position mate!
 
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#16
Airstrike my arrse. Four Lions anyone?
 
#17


"Good evening I am John Motson and welcome to Berlin for the 2014 World cup final between the Third Reich and Islamic Jihad. Two giants of football, massively dedicated fanbase and already there seems to be a bit of cat calling between the two crowds of supporters, careful Germany you don't want to set that lot off they are dynamite.
I have Gary Linnekar with me any views on tactics tonight Gary?"

"Well John both teams have their strengths and weaknesses but they are equally matched in their hatred for the Jewish nation, If I was a betting man I'd have to go with Germany probably having the edge there statistically....."
 
#18
What is the legal position here then? Is visiting a " tribal leader" now an automatic death penalty offense?

Can the state now just kill people it doesn't like or suspect of being terrorists. That could make the checkin line at airports a bit more interesting.

Or is it just because they are in some foriegn place far away that the law doesn't count?

I am not saying these people were innocent victims but the idea of the state just killing people seems wrong to me.

I thought state sponsered assisination/terrorism (which is what this is) was a bad thing?
If it was "assassination" ("murder for a political purpose") and if, as the facts now coming in suggest, the targeted individuals were combatants then they can be engaged anywhere they can be found, armed or unarmed, awake or asleep etc. and although truly innocent civilians who may be killed or injured are always regrettable and to be minimz(s)ed under the required evaluation of proportionality and discrimination (and I hasten to add that very very few drone strikes are in "error" given the technology involved and ROE wickets that must be negotiated) and, the likelihood that there will be such collateral damage can never wholly insulate an otherwise legitimate military target.

This is not to say that every such attack should be undertaken as such decisions must also be made in the context of political and other factors important in counterinsurgency operations but there is a vast difference between something being "unwise" in the context of these factors and "illegal" in the context of the applicable law of armed conflict.

It is quite amazing to me that we have gotten so instilled with notions of "peace enforcement" etc. and otherwise affected by the well-oiled propaganda machine that cranks up for every such incident that we lose sight of this fundamental principle. It is also quite telling that our enemies understand all this much better than apparently do many of our own people, including some in the military.
 
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What is the legal position here then? Is visiting a " tribal leader" now an automatic death penalty offense?

Can the state now just kill people it doesn't like or suspect of being terrorists. That could make the checkin line at airports a bit more interesting.

Or is it just because they are in some foriegn place far away that the law doesn't count?

I am not saying these people were innocent victims but the idea of the state just killing people seems wrong to me.

I thought state sponsered assisination/terrorism (which is what this is) was a bad thing?
God yes it would make the check-in lines at airports shorter...
Nice bit of 'executive action'.
I see Pakistan is retaliating by clamping down on supplies from Pakistan to NATO troops in Afghanistan. Interesting that this is when the lorries were attacked en masse.
 
#20
What is the legal position here then? Is visiting a " tribal leader" now an automatic death penalty offense?

Can the state now just kill people it doesn't like or suspect of being terrorists. That could make the checkin line at airports a bit more interesting.

Or is it just because they are in some foriegn place far away that the law doesn't count?

I am not saying these people were innocent victims but the idea of the state just killing people seems wrong to me.

I thought state sponsered assisination/terrorism (which is what this is) was a bad thing?
Are you being ironic or just plain naive?
 

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