German defence woes (latest from The Times)

Sadurian

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It may have been a rule imposed on them in the 1940's?
Self-imposed in 1967, although it was lifted in 2014.

It wasn't a total ban, but a ban on selling to countries who might use it in international wars and those who had upset NATO.
 

ugly

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Self-imposed in 1967, although it was lifted in 2014.

It wasn't a total ban, but a ban on selling to countries who might use it in international wars and those who had upset NATO.
Fair one, it would have been a logical US act post 45
 

Cold_Collation

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It may have been a rule imposed on them in the 1940's?
Self-imposed in 1967, although it was lifted in 2014.

It wasn't a total ban, but a ban on selling to countries who might use it in international wars and those who had upset NATO.
An example:

The camera technology on the U-2 was a restricted item for the Americans. The camera technology on the PR.9 was essentially the same but the focal length was altered slightly so that the U-2's technology remained 'unexported'.

In the same way, I'm sure the Japanese could have found a way to share what they had come up with. The point is that they didn't really want to, so hid behind statute.

Fair one, it would have been a logical US act post 45
And had that been the case, I doubt the the US, as the imposer, would have objected to the odd 'slip'.
 
Tempest would undoubtedly need cooperation. Sweden, aye, but don't dismiss what Japan can bring to the table.

There's this:

Mitsubishi X-2 Shinshin - Wikipedia

...and there's this (also from Wikipedia):


Unsurprisingly, Japan is no slouch on the avionics front, either. When it bought the F-15, it added some upgrades which made its performance better. The Americans asked for access - only to be told that Japan doesn't export military technology (which was true at the time)!

And as has been noted elsewhere, Japan and the UK have analogous defence needs. There's also an ambition on both parts to maintain some form of sovereign independence from the US.
One of the reasons why I was a bit dissapointed when the Kawasaki P1 didn't make the cut. I know Boeing has clout here and probably does make sense in the longer term with upgrades and scalability but they seemed to have a genuinely tailored made plane for the purpose. And I just like rooting for underdogs in general. Yes, I am American and I support American industries but I also like good products from wherever they are.
 

Cold_Collation

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One of the reasons why I was a bit dissapointed when the Kawasaki P1 didn't make the cut. I know Boeing has clout here and probably does make sense in the longer term with upgrades and scalability but they seemed to have a genuinely tailored made plane for the purpose. And I just like rooting for underdogs in general. Yes, I am American and I support American industries but I also like good products from wherever they are.
Same. The P-8 made best sense on so many levels but...
 
An Interesting decision not influenced by the EU apparatchiks or Air Bus industries putting policy before requirements. Het, I mean nein, no, no suree bob.
 
An Interesting decision not influenced by the EU apparatchiks or Air Bus industries putting policy before requirements. Het, I mean nein, no, no suree bob.
Why benefit the US when its prez is spouting off? The deal was always "Buy our kit and we'll look after you with the large forces we already have and need"

Anyhoo... a bit rabidly anti EU is Gabriele but he's right more often than wrong.
 
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Why benefit the US when its prez is spouting off? The deal was always "Buy our kit and we'll look after you with the large forces we already have and need"

Anyhoo... a bit rabidly anti EU is Gabriele but he's right more often than wrong.

Try to think the long term effects of things.
 
German defence woes continue with their Flugbereitschaft des Bundesministeriums der Verteidigung (= approx the Queens Flight). First Angie got delayed when she wanted to fly to Argentina for another international hot air event, then a senior minister got stuck in Africa when the Luftwaffe Airbus went t1ts up and had to wait for spares to arrive from Germany, the latest faux pas, also known as c0ck up resulted in the Foreign Minister, Heiko Mass, getting stuck in the middle of nowhere and having to wait for spares to arrive from Germany.
I take a certain amount of comfort in knowing that those who are at least partly responsible for the Luftwaffes problems or at least are senior members of the govt, are getting the benefit of the c0ck up. The law of unintended consequences works quite nicely at times.
One solution to the problem has been to order new Airbusses, however that will only work if the jets get proper maintenance.
 
The Germans aren't short of money, they have deep political objections to spending on defence and would rather support their own economy and let others (Britain and the United States) contribute to defending their country!
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Oh the irony. The US being told that they can't have access to defence technology from an ally.

It will be interesting to see whether Japan is interested in a coalition, and what they can bring. As you say, their long-range interception needs in the South China Sea are remarkably similar to our own.
At the time Japan had a very strict ban on the export of military hardware and technology. The current PM, Shinzo Abe has relaxed these restrictions.
 

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