German Chancellor Merkel says 'Multiculturalism has failed utterly'

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BBC News - Merkel says German multicultural society has failed

' "...the approach [to build] a multicultural [society] and to live side-by-side and to enjoy each other... has failed, utterly failed."

In her speech, the chancellor specifically referred to recent comments by German President Christian Wulff who said that Islam was "part of Germany" like Christianity and Judaism.

While acknowledging that this was the case, Mrs Merkel stressed that immigrants living in Germany needed to do more to integrate, including learning to speak German.
"Anyone who does not immediately speak German", she said, "is not welcome".'


hmm...I'm not sure I would say Islam is 'part of Germany' any more than it's part of england. not historically, certainly, and only since quite recently if at all. wonder if our politicos will stick their head above the parapet in this way?
 
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The Telegraph reports that 3 of our multicultural Members of The ords face suspension over expenses.Whoops.
 

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The Telegraph reports that 3 of our multicultural Members of The ords face suspension over expenses.Whoops.
two of them Labour and one cross-bencher. I am surprised. £125,000 in 'wrongfully claimed' expenses. I suppose you could make a mistake over an eighth of a million pounds like that. couldnt you?
 
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Strong words from Angela, but she being a politician makes me wonder what she's really saying. Could it be she believes this (I doubt it), is she falling in with public opinion (not highly recommended given the past record of public opinion in that country), is it a little arm wrestle with the President over who's the boss, or could it be yet another bashing of the current 'in crowd', the muslims? Methinks it's the latter she's engaging in. Given Germany's past record of bashing a minority, and lets face it they have been rather efficient at it (6 million if I recall), I would if I were Ms Merkel be careful about engaging brain before opening gob.

Personally speaking I feel it wrong to blame multiculturalism for every ill in society. I understand and support Merkel's point on learning the language of the country you migrate too, but still, a far greater issue are the LL&N problems faced by the born and bred population. Now, I am not sure of the stats on literacy levels in Germany, but I can tell you that the figues in Australia are nothing to shout about, they should be a point of national shame, the main offenders, not migrants but white Australians! Ouch! Can multiculturalism be blamed for that....NO it can't.
 
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A multicultural society is a contradiction in terms; a society is not a collection of people who happen to live in the same place, it is a group of people working towards one or more common ends, those ends are its culture.

Granted you can have sub cultures within the universal culture, however, everybody within a group has to agree on at least one thing to make that group a society.
 
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A multicultural society is a contradiction in terms; a society is not a collection of people who happen to live in the same place, it is a group of people working towards one or more common ends, those ends are its culture.

Granted you can have sub cultures within the universal culture, however, everybody within a group has to agree on at least one thing to make that group a society.
I agree. People speak of multiculturalism as if it is the new enlightenment. Firstly it is unlawful in UK. Secondly it is absurd. It is the belief and practice (Imposition) of a theory that all cultures within one land are of equal merit.

Multiculturalists then break their own faith by supporting "Our way or no way" religions but condemning the BNP. Rationally if one culture (say that of the BNP) is excluded from the belief it has equal merit then multiculturalism has self evidently failed. Even though it was social engineering madness and unlawful from its odious outset.

The Stephen Lawrence Inquiry has become like a holy scripture. Yet the truth is nearer that it was a racist murdered than it was a racist murder. Baroness Ros Howells (Advisor to Doreen Lawrence of Socialist Worker Party ?) is now a Labour peer rewarded for her work towards community cohesion (and for keeping quiet that the Lawrence INquiry police were cross case compromised and somehow avoiding investigating a number of pertinent lines of inquiry).

For all those who quote the Lawrence Inquiry as if it had something rational to say. Would they prefer justice for Stephen Lawrence at a trial which reveals the motiove was not racist ? Or would they prefer the status quo in which he is denied justice so the myth of "Institutionalized Racism" can remain a handy whip for the multicultural experimentalists.
 
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"German Chancellor Merkel says 'Multiculturalism has failed utterly' .... Bears, shite, woods. .......... Pope, balcony ..... etc.,
 
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A multicultural society is a contradiction in terms; a society is not a collection of people who happen to live in the same place, it is a group of people working towards one or more common ends, those ends are its culture.

Granted you can have sub cultures within the universal culture, however, everybody within a group has to agree on at least one thing to make that group a society.
You are clearly part of the problem with subversive and non-right-on views like that.
 
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multiculturalism was never going to work in germany, especially after the wall came down,all the guest workers recruited from ,turkey ,italy and greece, in the 60,s and 70,s, are now 3rd generation german citizens, prepared to work any where anytime,work that germans wouldnt touch in the 70,s was completed by foreign workers, now the foreigners have the jobs and the german people are pissed off, and now with all the immigrants from poland and other eastern european countries are just pulling the german economy down, 1 example Minden used to be a great little town on the weser, now it is over run with immigrants legal and illegal, with half the town a no go area after dark, germany is in a worse state than UK.
 
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Fine saying it's failed, what does she do now, sign out the cattle trucks?
Step one has got to be to prevent the problem from becoming any worse by imposing language requirements on new immigrants.

By the way, we are currently looking for ways to save money. How much does providing for people who are living here but do not speak or write English cost us?
 
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Multiculturalism doesn't in Germany. Angela Merkel has said that migrants should do more to integrate including learning German and 30% of the German population think there are too many immigrants.
The French have ditched the whole idea of multiculturalism.
Kevin Rudd the ex Aussie PM said that immigrants were welcome in Oz provided they learned the language, integrated and respected the Australian culture.
Here in England the majority of the English population (including many non-British who have integrated) think we're overrun with foreigners.

Do I see a trend here? :frustrated:
 
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The thing is we haven't got Multiculturalism, where by we take the best of all cultures and while celebrating their "diversity" (i hate that word)

What we have is PolyCulturalism, whereby we allow different cultures to merely trasnplant themselves from their original homelands, into a western city with no intention of integration. We now have a society dictated to by minority intrests, that we have to bow down to in the name of Multiculturalism.

The ony thing Multiculturalism has served to do is ghettoise the country, and this may be controversial but that was exactly what Enoch Powell was warning against in his "Rivers of blood" speach, a speach that was rooted in bitter experience during the partition of India
 
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Well, what can one say. A few years ago I used to do a lot of jobs for a coach/nightliner firm based in Berlin-Neukölln. On the shortish walk from the U-Bahn station to their depot I often thought - "Where am I, in Berlin or in Istanbul?" The architecture was most definitely Berlinish, and the vehicles on the roads almost exclusively German, but the rest!

A problem that is also brewing - and is rarely addressed - is with the immigrants from Russia, the bulk of whom arrived in the late 80`s and early 90`s. These were the descendants of the Bavarians/Swabians that had emigrated to the Volga region of Russia during the time of Catherine the Great. As students of WWII will know, Stalin perceived them to be fifth-columnists and shifted them all - lock, stock and barrel - to Azerbaidschan or thereabouts. That is where they stayed, apparently still being oppressed, until the German government, for reasons that are still unfathomable, allowed them to "return home". What a joke - and a sick one at that!

One would have thought that, at the least, they could all speak passable if not fluent German. Far from it! The language school where I used to teach at the time earned itself quite literally a golden arrsehole during this period - all funded by the State. It even got to the stage where the school took out a lease for extra schoolrooms, so great was the demand. And a lot of attention the immigrants paid to the lessons too - a goodly number of them still can`t string a sentence together in respectable German. As a general rule, amongst themselves they still converse in Russian.

I would prefer not to go into the resentment felt by many Germans at the "resettlemnt grants" they received. Not for them a rented "Sozialwohnung" of the type that the locals have to make do with. Instead, a mortgage at preferential conditions - with the deposit paid by their benefactors! You need furniture? Here`s a few thousand more! You need a vehicle to collect your dole? Let`s see what we can do. Their sense of entitlement knew no bounds.

I have since heard that to the north of Ramstein there is a village that is populated exclusively by ex-Volga Deutsche. This was not so in the early 80`s. In it, Russian is the first language, not German. I wonder how many times that has been repeated throughout Germany? A recent magazine article, reporting from an industrial city on the Ruhr (Bochum?), showed that there is also ghettoisation - and it hasn`t been `forced´ on them, that is just how they want it! Apparently, in a disotheque there, if you order a drink in German you most likely won`t be served.

As nignoy put it above, "germany is in a worse state than UK". Personally, I`m not sure about worse, but it`s certainly no better. It seems to me that they are merely marking time until current European developments help them discard the inhibitions they have had since `45. The Frogs and Spaghettis are actively kicking people out, Holland is about to pursue a hard-line, both Denmark and Sweden are getting mighty pissed-off with certain elements - soon, the Jerries will be able to say, "We`re only going with the flow!".
 
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Well, what can one say. A few years ago I used to do a lot of jobs for a coach/nightliner firm based in Berlin-Neukölln. On the shortish walk from the U-Bahn station to their depot I often thought - "Where am I, in Berlin or in Istanbul?" The architecture was most definitely Berlinish, and the vehicles on the roads almost exclusively German, but the rest!

A problem that is also brewing - and is rarely addressed - is with the immigrants from Russia, the bulk of whom arrived in the late 80`s and early 90`s. These were the descendants of the Bavarians/Swabians that had emigrated to the Volga region of Russia during the time of Catherine the Great. As students of WWII will know, Stalin perceived them to be fifth-columnists and shifted them all - lock, stock and barrel - to Azerbaidschan or thereabouts. That is where they stayed, apparently still being oppressed, until the German government, for reasons that are still unfathomable, allowed them to "return home". What a joke - and a sick one at that!

One would have thought that, at the least, they could all speak passable if not fluent German. Far from it! The language school where I used to teach at the time earned itself quite literally a golden arrsehole during this period - all funded by the State. It even got to the stage where the school took out a lease for extra schoolrooms, so great was the demand. And a lot of attention the immigrants paid to the lessons too - a goodly number of them still can`t string a sentence together in respectable German. As a general rule, amongst themselves they still converse in Russian.
When we were living in Germany - about 1988 - there were two TV programs that highlighted these problems.

The first was a documentary about a Volga Deutsche family who had, after several years of trying, been granted a residency visa. She was a teacher (of German) so no problem. Her kids and husband (a lorry driver) spoke no German at all! They were really pissy about the temporary accommodation they were given - they had expected a house - and after three month the husband was still unemployed due to - guess what? Right, he couldn't speak the language! It was mentioned at the end of the show that there were approximately 3 million Volga Deutsche 'sitting on their suitcases waiting for their visas' because, under the German constitution 'anyone who'd once owned a German Shepherd' was entitled to come...

The second was an interview with an Ost-Deutsche couple, one of the first to get to the West via Yugoslavia (I think) and when asked what they expected from the West replied, "Oh, nothing much. A small house and a car and then we'll look for a job". When the interviewer had stopped laughing he told them they'd got things wrong and they'd have to get a job to be able to buy a house and car. They didn't believe him...
 
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Given Germany's past record of bashing a minority, and lets face it they have been rather efficient at it (6 million if I recall), I would if I were Ms Merkel be careful about engaging brain before opening gob.
An attitude which has ensured that an entire nation will always be afraid to speak openly. Germany has endured a substantial influx of immigrants over the decades and despite how they may have felt about it, they have had to hold their tongues through fear of being branded Nazis. It's OK to question immigration in England though. Indeed, to even debate it on TV, but constant reminders of events which took place 70 years ago will always keep the Germans in their place. Not quite fair is it? The longer we hold onto this attitude, the longer Germans will be forced to endure what some in this country are unhappy with. People should be able to speak as they feel. If they are forced to keep their beliefs quiet, then this only creates a platform for the sort of extremists which you feel that modern Germans may become. You have to break the circle at some point, so why not now?
 
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A good point by Rufus, I personally find the term "racist" has lost most of its relevance due to it being somewhat over used what we dont want is the average german saying "Well fritz old chum we're going to be called Nazi's whatever we do so sod it i'll fire up the oven while you get your hands on some rolling stock"
 
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