Geographic Technician

#1
I've got a degree in Geography, and I am due to have a Masters in Glaciology within the upcoming months. I have always been a bit of a geography geek, and can't find any jobs that compare with the sapper Geo Tech role in civvy street.

I was planning to become an Officer, and specialise as a Geo Tech, and was told by my local army careers centre to talk to people on here to get some more specific information.

If I was a Geo Tech officer, where would I be based? Or would it depend?
How often would I be expected to go abroad?
What kind of hours would I be working?

Cheers guys, I'll add some more questions when I think of them.
 
#2
I've got a degree in Geography, and I am due to have a Masters in Glaciology within the upcoming months. I have always been a bit of a geography geek, and can't find any jobs that compare with the sapper Geo Tech role in civvy street.

I was planning to become an Officer, and specialise as a Geo Tech, and was told by my local army careers centre to talk to people on here to get some more specific information.

If I was a Geo Tech officer, where would I be based? Or would it depend?
How often would I be expected to go abroad?
What kind of hours would I be working?

Cheers guys, I'll add some more questions when I think of them.
I'd have thought RN and British Antarctic Survey. However, the army are likely to send you to deepest sahara doing sand sampling.=|
 
#4
Sorry I know this is not related, I didn't want to make a separate thread.

What does a job of a Surveyor Engineer involve, is the job easy to get or will I find it hard to get this job providing I have a good score on the barb, good TST score, and minimum qualifications. Also where would I be sent on tour, cheers.
 
#5
Sorry I know this is not related, I didn't want to make a separate thread.

What does a job of a Surveyor Engineer involve, is the job easy to get or will I find it hard to get this job providing I have a good score on the barb, good TST score, and minimum qualifications. Also where would I be sent on tour, cheers.
I'll try my best to answer your questions:

What does the job involve? There are three main aspects to the trade:

Land Surveying - accurately measuring a piece of land (or waterway) to provide either a site plan or 3D model so that future construction can be designed.

Highway Design - the horizontal and vertical design of highways, including the production of drawings, setting out information, earthwork and construction material quantities.

Setting Out - the accurate positioning of a proposed design on the ground, be it a structure or road, so that construction can begin. Also the control of the direction of the build, horizontally, vertically or both.

As a Military Engineer (Surveyor Engineering) Class 2 you will commonly serve in a mainstream (not Geo) Engineer Regiment as a soldier, combat engineer and surveyor as the task dictates. This includes 23 & 24 Engr Regt. As a Class 1 you generally have the opportunity to serve with one of the more specialist units and have much more opportunity to practice your trade.

Is the job easy to get?

I do not think it is too difficult to get on to the course providing you have the right scores and qualifications, but remember the Corps only trains a small amount of soldiers a year in this discipline (less than 30) so you may have to wait around for a course to start. The training is academically demanding but rewarding. The majority of soldiers who struggle on the Class 2 course do so because they only have the minimum academic qualifications, particularly in maths. If you only have a Grade C you will find it hard, even more so if you only studied the Foundation Tier of maths topics to get that C grade. Trigonometry and Geometry are absolutely fundamental to the trade so you need to be comfortable with Trig Ratios, Sine Rule, Cosine Rule etc. That said if you put max effort in the instructors are excellent and will get you through. The Class 1 course is generally attended after a few years of experience and, whilst pretty tough, has a high success rate. All this training culminates in the award of an HND in Engineering Surveying, which is not to be sniffed at.

Where will you be sent on tour?

Apart from the obvious current operational deployment you can travel anywhere in the world where Defence needs some surveying carried out.

Finally I'll add that you're trained to use the latest commercially available surveying equipment and software so your prospects for employment outside the Army, when you eventually come to leave, are generally good.
 
#7
I also did my degree in Geography and also did 5 years as a Geo Tech.

Firstly the position of Military Engineer (Geo Tech) isn't a commissioned officer's job, it's a soldier's. You can't join as a Geo Tech Officer but after attaining the rank of Captain in the Royal Engineers you can attend the Army Survey Course. Junior officers do serve with 42 Engineer Regiment (Geographic) but mainly as Troop Commanders who don't have a hands-on role in the tech process.
Most Geo Techs start off at 42 Engineer Regiment (Geographic) at Hermitage near Newbury, but there is a Squadron in Moenchengladbach Germany (but not for long) as well as small cells or individuals in most formation Headquarters. Remember you would join as a Royal Engineers officer and could potentially go to any mainstream Engineer Regiment before becoming a Captain and specialising into the Geo field.
You generally go on tour for 6 months at a time but should get 18 months back at your unit between deployments, there's no way anyone can say what hours you'd be working, depends on what you and the unit is doing.

Feel free to ask me anything else although my knowledge of anything officer related is limited. Send a PM to Geo_Ninja he'll know more about it. Hydrographic Survey officer in the Navy might be worth looking at too.
Tommyhutch has basically told you what the score is.

To be a Mil survey officer you would first join the Corps as a Direct Entry. You would spend 5-8 years doing troop commander jobs etc, gaining experience and basically being a RE officer.
You would then attend the MSc in GeoInt at Hermitage and 1 year later become a qualified Geo officer and posted.

As a soldier you would do basic, then Cbt Engr training, driver training arriving at the Royal School of Military Survey to do your 11 month 0-2 course. You then do 3-5 years ideally, before returning to do your class 1. You would not become a 'trained' soldier for about 2 years and there is no immediate promotion after the completion of your class 2.

My advice would be to apply for a commission into the finest Corps in the British Army and see what you want to do after 5-8 years!!

With regard to tours, yep 6 months away, some people seem to go more than others but that's life as every part of the Corps has its skivers and malingerers!! Geo Tech work is taking off again now with regard to overseas tasking as well with the lads now starting to survey airfields around the world after a gap of some years, unfortunately most of them are in Afghanistan but Greenland and Dominican republic were recent ones as well.

There are Geo Techs at all Bde HQ's and with the SF and you would have the opportunity, if you are that way inclined top gain your wings and or dagger.
 
#8
Tommyhutch has basically told you what the score is.

To be a Mil survey officer you would first join the Corps as a Direct Entry. You would spend 5-8 years doing troop commander jobs etc, gaining experience and basically being a RE officer.
You would then attend the MSc in GeoInt at Hermitage and 1 year later become a qualified Geo officer and posted.

As a soldier you would do basic, then Cbt Engr training, driver training arriving at the Royal School of Military Survey to do your 11 month 0-2 course. You then do 3-5 years ideally, before returning to do your class 1. You would not become a 'trained' soldier for about 2 years and there is no immediate promotion after the completion of your class 2.

My advice would be to apply for a commission into the finest Corps in the British Army and see what you want to do after 5-8 years!!

With regard to tours, yep 6 months away, some people seem to go more than others but that's life as every part of the Corps has its skivers and malingerers!! Geo Tech work is taking off again now with regard to overseas tasking as well with the lads now starting to survey airfields around the world after a gap of some years, unfortunately most of them are in Afghanistan but Greenland and Dominican republic were recent ones as well.

There are Geo Techs at all Bde HQ's and with the SF and you would have the opportunity, if you are that way inclined top gain your wings and or dagger.
Kirt, this is the best advice you can get, so read it twice and think hard about it.
 
#9
Aha, geography / mapping buffs. Now I know that this will be in the wrong thread, but I will risk the flack and ask anyway. I have produced a map of a site in GE and buggered if I can get the data to show in any other format. Any ideas? Please PM me as I really would like to produce a decent site plan that I can send to others in better than jpeg form. And one other thing: Joining the Corps means entry to a different world. RE doesn't only do what it says on the tin. So get in there, there are many opportunities, once you are in.
 
#10
Aha, geography / mapping buffs. Now I know that this will be in the wrong thread, but I will risk the flack and ask anyway. I have produced a map of a site in GE and buggered if I can get the data to show in any other format. Any ideas? Please PM me as I really would like to produce a decent site plan that I can send to others in better than jpeg form. And one other thing: Joining the Corps means entry to a different world. RE doesn't only do what it says on the tin. So get in there, there are many opportunities, once you are in.
Convert it to PDF?

If of course the product is finished..
 
#11
Aha, geography / mapping buffs. Now I know that this will be in the wrong thread, but I will risk the flack and ask anyway. I have produced a map of a site in GE and buggered if I can get the data to show in any other format. Any ideas? Please PM me as I really would like to produce a decent site plan that I can send to others in better than jpeg form. And one other thing: Joining the Corps means entry to a different world. RE doesn't only do what it says on the tin. So get in there, there are many opportunities, once you are in.
Forgive my ignorance but what is GE?
 
#12
i am guessing Google Earth mate.
 
#13
I'll try my best to answer your questions:

What does the job involve? There are three main aspects to the trade:

Land Surveying - accurately measuring a piece of land (or waterway) to provide either a site plan or 3D model so that future construction can be designed.

Highway Design - the horizontal and vertical design of highways, including the production of drawings, setting out information, earthwork and construction material quantities.

Setting Out - the accurate positioning of a proposed design on the ground, be it a structure or road, so that construction can begin. Also the control of the direction of the build, horizontally, vertically or both.

As a Military Engineer (Surveyor Engineering) Class 2 you will commonly serve in a mainstream (not Geo) Engineer Regiment as a soldier, combat engineer and surveyor as the task dictates. This includes 23 & 24 Engr Regt. As a Class 1 you generally have the opportunity to serve with one of the more specialist units and have much more opportunity to practice your trade.

Is the job easy to get?

I do not think it is too difficult to get on to the course providing you have the right scores and qualifications, but remember the Corps only trains a small amount of soldiers a year in this discipline (less than 30) so you may have to wait around for a course to start. The training is academically demanding but rewarding. The majority of soldiers who struggle on the Class 2 course do so because they only have the minimum academic qualifications, particularly in maths. If you only have a Grade C you will find it hard, even more so if you only studied the Foundation Tier of maths topics to get that C grade. Trigonometry and Geometry are absolutely fundamental to the trade so you need to be comfortable with Trig Ratios, Sine Rule, Cosine Rule etc. That said if you put max effort in the instructors are excellent and will get you through. The Class 1 course is generally attended after a few years of experience and, whilst pretty tough, has a high success rate. All this training culminates in the award of an HND in Engineering Surveying, which is not to be sniffed at.

Where will you be sent on tour?

Apart from the obvious current operational deployment you can travel anywhere in the world where Defence needs some surveying carried out.

Finally I'll add that you're trained to use the latest commercially available surveying equipment and software so your prospects for employment outside the Army, when you eventually come to leave, are generally good.
Thankyou this is useful information to me, I want to go to the technical foundation college next year in september, well my target is an A in maths so that could be an advantage, cheers again.
 
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