Generals slammed for Afghan military failures

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*shrug* guess what happens when people think that "punching above your weight" is something to brag about.
 
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Don't blame the generals for this clusterfuck, try looking in the direction of Tony Blier & George "the Village Idiot" Bush
No, do. CDS, CGS and CJO all need to take a bite of the sh*t sandwich that is our performance in Afg as we were trying to maintain a presence in Iraq.
 
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Don't blame the generals for this clusterfuck, try looking in the direction of Tony Blier & George "the Village Idiot" Bush
Im not trying to blame anyone here. I just thought that some may be interested in the article. No intention to cause any offence.

SC
 
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Very senior officers are very much to blame; and not just for mess in Iraqistan.

The army had a huge problem with moral and retention well before we got involved in the War on Terror. It may have been something to do with a failure of leadership from the top down.
 
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Im not trying to blame anyone here. I just thought that some may be interested in the article. No intention to cause any offence.

SC
No apologies required S-C - good link.

The only problem with giving people here a Hansard HoC report to look at is.........they can seldom be Arrsed.....

The issue of aviation assets in theatre has been a hot topic ( and a political embarassment )for the whole of Op HERRICK - and it should not be permitted to go away........this is what the Defence Select Committee have actually said in the Report you quoted:

HELICOPTERS

96. Helicopters are a critical component of operations in Afghanistan. General Capewell told us that the UK Forces had sufficient helicopters in Afghanistan, in particular, with the delivery of further Chinook helicopters:


If you spoke to any commander today on the ground they would say the same as I am about to say. There are sufficient aviation assets across the whole range of helicopter requirements to deliver the mission.[112]

97. The MoD told us that since November 2006, it has doubled the number of battlefield helicopters and increased the number of helicopter flying hours by 140 per cent (October 2010) - achieved through an increase in the number of aircraft and improved logistic support. Further helicopters have since been delivered to theatre.[113] We are conscious that our predecessor Committee was told in previous inquiries that UK Forces have enough helicopters only to discover subsequently that this was not true. We are not convinced that UK Forces yet have access to sufficient helicopter hours. We recommend that, in response to this Report, the MoD set out how the new helicopters delivered into theatre have impacted on the availability of helicopter hours, any outstanding delivery of helicopters and how much reliance and use we are making of helicopters from the USA and other countries

There are two sets of polictics involved with this kind of embarrassment -

Westminster style politics - " All this happened under the previous administration " ( but are WE doing anything to make it better ?)
Army politics - " Well of course decisions were made by my predecessor ( the fackin' useless Crab) which were........unsound. However, we are where we are......and I can't point the finger without the question being asked ' How have things changed on MY watch ? "

Ask our nearest allies whether they think the current British operation is fully resourced.......ask the Odiham Air engineers what miracles they have had to achieve to keep the existing Chinooks airborne.....and how many air-frame hours they have squeezed out of aircraft that have been in service since Reagan was president.....


Bare
 
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I wouldnt blame Generals for this mess, but the soft approach on Pakistan in regards to doing more to stop its ISI supporting Taliban/Alqaeda elements, and doing nothing to the Quetta Shura.
 
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I wouldnt blame Generals for this mess, but the soft approach on Pakistan in regards to doing more to stop its ISI supporting Taliban/Alqaeda elements, and doing nothing to the Quetta Shura.
Now we know. Hey no need for any more reports. We have the answer.
 

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I wouldnt blame Generals for this mess, but the soft approach on Pakistan in regards to doing more to stop its ISI supporting Taliban/Alqaeda elements, and doing nothing to the Quetta Shura.
God Grief! Thank you for introducing me to a genuinely new experience - agreeing with AK 100% in a post.

Now, if only we could get rid of those pesky Pakistani nukes, we'd be home and dry.....
 
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