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General issue of the new uniform

#1
Can anyone in the know give me an idea of the fielding timeline for the new uniform (MTP one which is to replace C95)? Specifically I need to know when the non-deployed regular army are to start wearing it.

No speculation please, just need to the know rough windows that it is getting rolled out to and worn by the Field Army.
 
#5
Good starting point

06/11: Introduction of Personal Clothing System
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Serial No: Sourced: DIB 2011/06 Defence Clothing Team

Date: Released By: 07/02/2011 DMC Internal Comms
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Audience: All Service personnel
 
#8
Why are they giving it to cadets? Wouldn't giving them all the DPM stuff that becomes redundant save quite a few bob??
 

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#9
Why are they giving it to cadets? Wouldn't giving them all the DPM stuff that becomes redundant save quite a few bob??
It's fairly ironic they're giving MTP to the Cadets when they find it hard enough to even get DPM for their lads!

Makes so, so much more sense for me that they give the Cadets as much of the DPM as they need from current stocks and it then serves three purposes:

1: It splits the Cadets from the Armed Forces which higher have been wanting to do for a while. Argument is it's so that a child in uniform doesn't get confused with a real soldier and have bad things happen to them.

2: The Cadets wont get into the situation where they now have MTP but just as with DPM, can't get what they need.

3: The Cadets have more DPM than they can wiggle a stick at.

*Shrugs*
 
#10
It's fairly ironic they're giving MTP to the Cadets when they find it hard enough to even get DPM for their lads!

Makes so, so much more sense for me that they give the Cadets as much of the DPM as they need from current stocks and it then serves three purposes:

1: It splits the Cadets from the Armed Forces which higher have been wanting to do for a while. Argument is it's so that a child in uniform doesn't get confused with a real soldier and have bad things happen to them.

2: The Cadets wont get into the situation where they now have MTP but just as with DPM, can't get what they need.

3: The Cadets have more DPM than they can wiggle a stick at.

*Shrugs*
Perversely there isn't enough DPM CS95 right now for the Regular Army, let alone cadets.

LF have issued the fielding plan, if anyone wants to know, they should grip their CoC. (OoooEeer!)
 
#11
3: The Cadets have more DPM than they can wiggle a stick at.

*Shrugs*
Is that the stuff they keep under the invisibility cloak so that nobody can find it?

I heard that cadets weren't getting MTP at all, at least not for the forseeable future. Don't think it's anything to do with the 'seperating' business - although I can sort of see their point - more to do with costs.
 
#13
It's fairly ironic they're giving MTP to the Cadets when they find it hard enough to even get DPM for their lads!

Makes so, so much more sense for me that they give the Cadets as much of the DPM as they need from current stocks and it then serves three purposes:

1: It splits the Cadets from the Armed Forces which higher have been wanting to do for a while. Argument is it's so that a child in uniform doesn't get confused with a real soldier and have bad things happen to them.

2: The Cadets wont get into the situation where they now have MTP but just as with DPM, can't get what they need.

3: The Cadets have more DPM than they can wiggle a stick at.

*Shrugs*
on the first point, joe public see's a uniform and thats all they see! just as with the RAF, even in blues, let alone CS95, 'oh your in the army then!' dont matter about badges either, you could have a 12 foot high neon sign above you and joe public will still just see the unifom!
Dosent matter if Cadets are in the same MTP as regs or in DPM when the regs are in MTP, they will still be perceived as military by the vast majority.

2nd and 3rd. Speaking from an Air Cadet Staff point of view, we get sod all CS95s for the Cadets! The Air Cdts are not scaled for CS95, we have to scrounge part worn servicable to do fieldcraft, exercises and shooting. This scrounging is far more difficult if your Unit is not located near a large RAF Main Operating Base. It would be far more sensible for the ATC to issue a practical and flexible set of CU (or CS95!) with ATC badges than issue a set of blues IMO! But I suppose its a tradition thing.
Even getting the full scaling of blue working dress for the cdts is difficult at times. I'm sure the supply situation with the ACF is not much better judging by the kit I've seen their Cdts wearing (some 95, some '94, even 88 and 85 patt kit!)

Besides, some of the first people to get MTP CU will be the ones who buy it from ebay! :p
 
#14
Cadets = glorified youth club (IMO).

So why are uniforms supplied cost free. You want to take part you pay a little towards them at least.

I fully expect to get shot down in flames about this but **** it.

TBM
 
#17
My bad. Cheers mate.
At my detachment: Our initial enrollment goes toward uniform and enrollment onto DOE scheme, we then pay £2 a month (25p a night) which goes towards keeping the stores, fun nights etc. Maybe some of this money goes higher up the chain but as far as I am aware the subs money stays within the detachment.


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#18
At our detachment: we pay £10 initially and £10 for residential camps.

I'm glad we cadets are being issued something new, that will be better for the field and just more practical. But these clothes look less iron-able, so is barrack dress being issued also..?
 
#19
Why are they giving it to cadets? Wouldn't giving them all the DPM stuff that becomes redundant save quite a few bob??
That is what they are doing for a while but those stocks will not last long. I was speaking to our CAA last night and the QM has requested enough uniform for 200 new issues and 1000 exchanges per year. That is just for my county. Even with reissuing returned kit how long do you think the spare kit is going to last the entire UK's ACF and CCF* now that CS95 production has ceased? Eventually stocks will run out and those who decide these things had to chose between two different production lines of kit or one. They chose one.

*To put things in perspective as of last year there were 47,000 Army Cadets and over 8000 instructors. Add to that over 20,000 CCF (Army) Cadets and you require a lot of clothing.


Fezzick said:
I heard that cadets weren't getting MTP at all, at least not for the forseeable future. Don't think it's anything to do with the 'seperating' business - although I can sort of see their point - more to do with costs.
Issue was scheduled to start in September 2012. I won't start holding my breath just yet.

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I'm glad we cadets are being issued something new, that will be better for the field and just more practical. But these clothes look less iron-able, so is barrack dress being issued also..?
Nope.
 
#20
At my detachment: Our initial enrollment goes toward uniform and enrollment onto DOE scheme, we then pay £2 a month (25p a night) which goes towards keeping the stores, fun nights etc. Maybe some of this money goes higher up the chain but as far as I am aware the subs money stays within the detachment.


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Eight nights a month?

That's more than the TA.
 

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