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I'm just checking, but if (vvv big if) the Reds do win, will the wife and I be allowed to leave the country on Friday night, to get home to CH?
Fraid not, its the Porthcawl Holding Facility for you both prior to processing! :)
 
The whole kid on the floor story has certainly created an surge in responses on this board from the institutionalised gamons that no doubt never rose above being NCO's due to their celebaral limitations. Usual suspects aside it's quite revealing.

Also a clear uptick in accounts leaping onto the back of the sock puppet twitter accounts firing chaff - Activist decks Aide shocker -to deflect on Johnson's debacle of an interview yesterday when the mask slipped and the steamroller responses and soundbites couldn't hide his incompetence and petulance.

It's understandable to some extent as the thought of JC holding the reigns will rightly send many on here into their drinking cabinets, - more than normal, but the ease with which critical thinking, patience and maturity is bypassed to score a point is embarrassing.
Do you believe the veracity of the story?
 
On a subject of pushing leaflets through doors, the Conservative one arrived a couple of weeks ago.

In the last few days I've had the Lib Dem one and Labour one - almost token effort given most postal votes would have been sent off now, I assume?

It's almost like they've realised the "Tory strongholds" are not worth contesting and they are going to concentrate their efforts on the marginal and simply not waste too much effort on the former.

Two things:

1. Nothing says "we only care about winning and little else" more than prioritising your campaign in such a tactical way.

2. Whilst I appreciate every political party would do the same to win, nothing screams hypocrisy than a party doing such a thing whose strapline reads "For the many, not the few". Indeed.
I haven't even seen a labour party activist, much less a propaganda leaflet in my ward since 2017.
 
The thing, as most of us know, is that Momentum is Socialist Workers Party and has the mutual support of some powerful unions who, from what I can tell, own the Labour Party brand.
If they had to stand out on their own XLW or Marxist ticket they'd be back to being a fringe party - neither the party of 'the people' or 'the workers'.

I'll expect them to continue purging traditional and old Labour mentality from their ranks whilst still maintaining a rump of support purely due to brand loyalty. It's seemed obvious to me that when the likes of MacDonnell talk about democracy within the Party it involves purging dissent so that the only voice left is the one they want to hear.

A bit of honesty would be nice. If they want to be totalitarian XLW anti Semitic, terror supporting revolutionaries then stand on that. Those MP's not of that ilk, but riding on the coat tails need to either have some integrity and leave or go full Kinnock and realise that the Party has to either grow up or whither on the vine.

My premise is that 'working class' is an anachronistic term, no longer applicable.
Didn't Blair do a similar things when he came to power in the 90's. He purged the XLW from Labour and cowed those remaining non Blairites?
 

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Claims that the bed is actually a trolley with drawers of medical equipment in it now...

A quick image search on hospital equipment trolleys doesn't return anything that looks like the trolley in the pic that isn't a bed trolley, however. I'm assuming that the dark stuff behind the frame is the end of the mattress but, zooming in, it does look like it could be plastic-coated wire mesh basket drawers. It is quite pixellated, though. Also, aren't drawers in kit trolleys molded plastic for ease of cleaning and so on...?
 

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Do you believe the veracity of the story?
I've my doubts that it's is as straight as has been painted by the media. The "nurse" Facebook rebuttel seems now to be thoroughly debunked - although a Telegraph journo' is claiming that she's spoken to a Great Ormond Street nurse about it and the nurse is "100% certain" it's fake news.

Then there's the pro photographer credits, the bed/drawer trolley conundrum, the alleged political leanings of the mother, the timing (apparently this "scandal" occurred last Tuesday but it's only being pushed in the last hours before the election), etc.
 
No that's not the way it works. The reality is it 's a mix of centralised decisions and decentralised decisions, central government (the Department of Health) doesnt really interfere in day to day ops and spending decisions (unless a Trust is in the shit, which I will come on to). To say the NHS is a highly complex economic ecosystem would be a huge understatement - it is a highly complex trading environment and a market in its own right. In reality, the NHS functions like a commercial (regulated) market, such as financial services - it is already effectively privatised.

So just to pad that out for you, from April of this year, the Department of Health mandated that 'NHS Supply Chain' was going to be responsible for shipping 'hard goods' - for example syringes. Previously if a Trust wanted to buy 10,000 syringes, they would go out to tender through a framework agreement which had pre-negotiated contracts and they could run a mini competition with the 10 suppliers on that framework supplying syringes and a suppler would win and supply. The Trust could use one of a number of different framework agreements (there are many), and the suppliers of syringes would be on each framework (giving them multiple channels to market). Just to confirm - each framework was run by a different part of the NHS and every supplier to the NHS was on each framework. It is a trading ecosystem.

From April the DoH said to every Trust we want you to use 'NHS Supply Chain' as that's how we want you to buy and as its mandated, we are top slicing your budget to pay for this service - so Salford NHS Trust (for example) - your budget is £850m per annum. We are taking £5m of that from you and just giving that to 'NHS Supply Chain' to pay for it (this was done to every Trust in England). But if you want to but 10,000 syringes, you still have to pay for them - that's not included in the £5,000,000 we have just taken off you to pay for 'NHS Supply Chain' . Basically DoH had cut Salford NHS Trusts' budget by £5m. Oh - and if you dont want to buy your syringes from 'NHS Supply Chain' - you can but them from Countess of Chester or NHS Shared Business Services. That is an example of Central Government interfering in budgets - its a centralised decision (policy) of the DoH.

Other places DoH will interfere is when people die, like in Staffs or Stockport. The DoH will send in the NHS Improvement Agency to 'sort them out', which basically either sacks the Exec because they are incompetent os may put very tight controls in - its a bit like calling in the administrator when you are a commercial business.

The NHS is very broken from years of dabbling. Politicians dont understand it, and if the general public knew what an utter shambles it as they would welcome Trump with open arms.

If you were to build a modern healthcare system, you would use the NHS to model it on. That's why the British NHS is unique (in other words no other country has been either stupid enough or wealthy enough to replicate it). It is an utter shambles.
I think we are at cross purposes. The Trust's have the power to decide what they spend their budget on. It is their responsibility to decide if they increase the number of beds, much in the same way the trust will be liable for malpractice (for example) and not central government.

I am not arguing how they buy a bed, or from whom, I am arguing it is the Trust who decides to buy a bed in the first place.
 

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And why did the Health Secretary change his schedule at last minute to visit the LGI?

Why did the management of the LGI apologise?

Some people are just so unwilling to accept the bleeding obvious its actually cringeworthy.
Back in the day the MOD, to its great credit, decided never, ever ever rebut any issues relating to the deaths of service personnel on operations.

Even if the MOD could provide ample evidence of the negligence or stupidity of those involved.

It just sucked it up. For the greater good.
 
Claims that the bed is actually a trolley with drawers of medical equipment in it now...

A quick image search on hospital equipment trolleys doesn't return anything that looks like the trolley in the pic that isn't a bed trolley, however. I'm assuming that the dark stuff behind the frame is the end of the mattress but, zooming in, it does look like it could be plastic-coated wire mesh basket drawers. It is quite pixellated, though. Also, aren't drawers in kit trolleys molded plastic for ease of cleaning and so on...?
I bet that the stupid cow wishes that she had never posted the picture now. It is dragging her young son into the whole sorry mess that I find unforgiveable.
 
Back in the day the MOD, to its great credit, decided never, ever ever rebut any issues relating to the deaths of service personnel on operations.

Even if the MOD could provide ample evidence of the negligence or stupidity of those involved.

It just sucked it up. For the greater good.

Im afraid that concept will go right over some peoples heads
 

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I bet that the stupid cow wishes that she had never posted the picture now. It is dragging her young son into the whole sorry mess that I find unforgiveable.
Again if I were to go back to early Herrick and Telic bereaved families fell into two categories, those who shunned media interest and those who engaged with the press.

I later had the priviledge of spending time with reps from virtually all the bereaved families from Telic 1. Those who had opted for media engagement bitterly regretted it over time.
 

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I doubt Momentum can now be ousted. In addition, if Labour lose 40 or so MP's on Thursday, they'll be replaced by Momentum approved candidates, taking the party further to the left.

I suspect a moderate will stand for the leadership if Magic Grandpa stands down. They'll be soundly defeated and the surviving moderate Labour MP's will wring their hands and do the square root of fornicate all. They should have formed a breakaway party several years ago, but lacked the testicular fortitude to do it. Had they done so, they might have begun to replace Corbyn's Labour after this GE.

There is a political vacuum developing on the left, with no obvious party liable to fill it.

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I would guess it is all down to money. Momentum have their hands on the Labour Party brand as d the donations from trades unions that go with that. A new Party would have to source sufficient funding beforehand while donators probably wouldn't want to commit until they saw if their money would be put to good use, i.e. for their agenda. It will probably take a billionaire or three to kick start any new socialist party.
 
I bet that the stupid cow wishes that she had never posted the picture now. It is dragging her young son into the whole sorry mess that I find unforgiveable.
Socialist mindset screws with your head, hence why her first instinct was messaging The mirror & Labour party.

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Socialist mindset screws with your head, hence why her first instinct was messaging The mirror & Labour party.

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You could also say:
Social media screws with your head, hence why her first instinct was posting on social media.

A double whammy effect on conditioned behaviour?
 
You could also say:
Social media screws with your head, hence why her first instinct was posting on social media.

A double whammy effect on conditioned behaviour?
Or in short, concerns for 'Mental health'.

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I do find PM Johnson's reaction to the photo illustrative.

If the incident is false, it's a bit like getting into a house on a flawed warrant.

You've found stuff which is likely to be ruled inadmissable, but still interesting.

Frankly, it would be nice if both sides lost. A less appealing set of choices I have not seen since the last time I was in a Wagamama.
 

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I do find PM Johnson's reaction to the photo illustrative.

If the incident is false, it's a bit like getting into a house on a flawed warrant.

You've found stuff which is likely to be ruled inadmissable, but still interesting.

Frankly, it would be nice if both sides lost. A less appealing set of choices I have not seen since the last time I was in a Wagamama.
As I have mentioned before, this is the most vicious political campaign that can recall, and there were some beauties in the 60s and 70s when Tory and Labour went at each other tooth and nail. Nothing like this showdown at all.

I don't expect things to be all sweetness and light post 12/12 either!
 
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