General Election 2019

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ETA; It appears that Purdah does not cover this, however I am suspicious of the motives of UK MSM allowing a foreign politician to comment on our 'slide into Fascism' prior to a General Election.
I wonder which party is nearer to “facism”? Big government has traditionally been the Labour party’s thing; there is the unfortunate tendency towards anti-semitism (disguised as pro-Palestinianism); and Corbyn has some odd heroes...
 
I wonder which party is nearer to “facism”? Big government has traditionally been the Labour party’s thing; there is the unfortunate tendency towards anti-semitism (disguised as pro-Palestinianism); and Corbyn has some odd heroes...
I think you'll find Fascism is a very popular word. It's root has been lost in the mists of time
 
I wonder which party is nearer to “facism”? Big government has traditionally been the Labour party’s thing; there is the unfortunate tendency towards anti-semitism (disguised as pro-Palestinianism); and Corbyn has some odd heroes...
Idealogically both extremes of socialism and facism end up at the same place primarily because they share an unattainable utopian premise and both require the complete destruction of the old order to replace it with their own vision. The adoption of either, facism in pre-WW2 Spain and Germany, and varients of socialism in Russia and elsewhere, led to extraordinary levels of global violence, economic and social decay. There was little experiential difference from being an inmate of Stalin's Gulags or being a resident of Auschwitz.
 
I think you'll find Fascism is a very popular word. It's root has been lost in the mists of time
Fascism is a fusion of socialism and syndicalists. With a synergy between worker and large employers plugged into the leadership. Its weakness, was the inability of the bloke at the top, to micromanage every nuance and that leads to the principle of working to the leader and the good and bad, including out of control corruption.

In a sense, we already live in a novo fascist state. Where globalisation has removed economics from democracy and the great and good dictate social policy, without much reference to democracy either.. Populism in its many forms is a reaction to that loss of democracy and sovereignity we have all experienced.
 

Wordsmith

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Wee nippy has followed that horse faced Lib Dem woman and is now taking legal action over ITV only allowing the 2 main parties to debate.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-50410790

I'm secretly hoping the resultant hoo ha results in all the broadcasters axing all the poxxy TV debates personally, I hate the bloody things, we're not America.
No chance - the TV debates (although totally pointless because they're pre-prepared soundbites) generate high viewing figures.

The only way they'll have an impact is if one of the party leaders implodes live and on air.

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Wordsmith

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Farage now coming under immense pressure to campaign in only 40 seats.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/13/tories-offer-nigel-farage-eleventh-hour-deal/
The Conservatives have offered an electoral pact to Nigel Farage that would mean the Brexit Party targeting just 40 key seats, The Telegraph can disclose. Boris Johnson was prepared to put up “paper candidates” in the Labour-held constituencies, meaning the Tories would carry out only minimal campaigning in order to give an advantage to Brexit Party rivals. However, the deal was turned down by Mr Farage, who had insisted on the Tories withdrawing their candidates altogether from the seats, because he was worried that the Conservative candidates would still attract votes.
It's the only sensible strategy for TBP - they don't have the resources to fight several hundred seats. Fighting their 40 most winnable seats gives then the best chance of getting a dozen MP's into parliament while ensuring the Tories get a majority and deliver Brexit.

Farage is digging his heels in because his pride won't let him acknowledge that it'll be BoJo that delivers Brexit and not him. But without a presence in parliament after the GE, TBP is effectively finished as a political force.

In addition, if BoJo doesn't put up candidates in all seats, the opposition parties will tar the Tory party with the TBP brush.

Wordsmith
 
Has anybody yet commented upon the timing of Clinton's appearance in the UK media with reference to interference in a UK General Election?
I thought that the Purdah thing covered this.

ETA; It appears that Purdah does not cover this, however I am suspicious of the motives of UK MSM allowing a foreign politician to comment on our 'slide into Fascism' prior to a General Election.
Hopefully Hilary’s cerebral contribution to the General Election debate will have a similar impact on the electorate as when Obama contributed to the 2016 Referendum!
 

Auld-Yin

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This election needs a good scandal. It is a bit, well more than a bit, boring at the mo.
 
This election needs a good scandal. It is a bit, well more than a bit, boring at the mo.
I’m hoping for a Boris/Jo Swinson secret relationship from back in her early days at Westminster. That would be juicy! :smile:
 
Fascism is a fusion of socialism and syndicalists. With a synergy between worker and large employers plugged into the leadership. Its weakness, was the inability of the bloke at the top, to micromanage every nuance and that leads to the principle of working to the leader and the good and bad, including out of control corruption.

In a sense, we already live in a novo fascist state. Where globalisation has removed economics from democracy and the great and good dictate social policy, without much reference to democracy either.. Populism in its many forms is a reaction to that loss of democracy and sovereignity we have all experienced.
Many moons ago someone on Arrse posted that the ten years of Blairs New Labour government was ten years of classical fascism.

From you post above, and from what everyone has seen since, I find it hard to disagree with that statement.
 
Fascism is a fusion of socialism and syndicalists. With a synergy between worker and large employers plugged into the leadership. Its weakness, was the inability of the bloke at the top, to micromanage every nuance and that leads to the principle of working to the leader and the good and bad, including out of control corruption.

In a sense, we already live in a novo fascist state. Where globalisation has removed economics from democracy and the great and good dictate social policy, without much reference to democracy either.. Populism in its many forms is a reaction to that loss of democracy and sovereignity we have all experienced.
Nice post. I'd argue that the inherent weakness you highlight characterises autocracies in general, hence Qaddafi in Libya, Nicholas II in Russia etc.

On your second point, this partly explains why the hostile reaction to Trump, BREXIT and on environmental issues has been so fierce and so sustained. There are legitimate concerns, to be sure, but essentially, Globalists, Progressive Liberals and Socialists all prefer autocratic/technocratic governments, as they minimise the grit in their ambitions. Their tacit common aim is a Global, technocratic utopia where "those who know best" dictate how things should be done.

The essential problem with this is as you identify - over-centralization and the need for one size fits all rules to simplify micro-management, corrupted by those implementing them. This ultimately leads to regime collapse and a return to classic liberalism and free market forces, for a time at least...
 
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Gout Man

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This election needs a good scandal. It is a bit, well more than a bit, boring at the mo.
something like this might suit any one on the labour front bench

 
How can anybody demand a private commercial broadcaster give them airtime?
I hope ITV just bins it.
I hope that ITV tell wee kranky the same thing that I hoped that they'd tell that lib dem mong on my post last week.
To f*** off, and that it's their train set and not hers. And that if she doesn't like it, then to go and f*** herself. The cheeky bit*h.
 

Wordsmith

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I hope that ITV tell wee kranky the same thing that I hoped that they'd tell that lib dem mong on my post last week.
To f*** off, and that it's their train set and not hers. And that if she doesn't like it, then to go and f*** herself. The cheeky bit*h.
Thee are rules on impartiality during elections.

I'd be interested to know what would happen if the TV companies pointed out that the SNP was a purely Scottish party and they'd run a purely Scottish TV debate for her and the parties contesting Scotland, while broadcasting a UK debate everywhere but Scotland without Wee Krankie in it.

But I doubt the TV companies have the balls to do it.

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Gout Man

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I hope that ITV tell wee kranky the same thing that I hoped that they'd tell that lib dem mong on my post last week.
To f*** off, and that it's their train set and not hers. And that if she doesn't like it, then to go and f*** herself. The cheeky bit*h.
So to clarify. :slow:
 
Thee are rules on impartiality during elections.
Indeed there are rules, fully met by ITV already having scheduled an all party debate.

With that in mind, ITV leaping in to televise a personal challenge from Corbyn to Johnson (to hold a one to one debate) does not, on the face of it, appear to infringe any rules of impartiality.
 

Club Swinger

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Fcuk me the news this morning has been depressing.

The Blatantly Biased Corporation news headlines about the NHS are doing my head in.

"The Tory Party under Prime Minister Boris Johnson have ushered in the worst conditions the NHS has ever recorded"

He's only been there for 5 minutes FFS. And why is it PMBJ's fault it rained a lot and places are getting very wet. :-x:-x:-x:-x
 

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