General Election 2019 - Conservative with Majority

They want to be in the EU. They'll be using the Euro. And be part of Schengen. Whether they want it or not.
They would have to cut public spending, their budget deficit is above 7% of GDP. To join the Euro it has to be below three - The UK’s as a whole is 1.1%.

This alone shows that Scotland would struggle to support itself.
 

Wordsmith

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They would have to cut public spending, their budget deficit is above 7% of GDP. To join the Euro it has to be below three - The UK’s as a whole is 1.1%.

This alone shows that Scotland would struggle to support itself.
The EU is just a convenient 'excuse' for the SNP in their drive for independence. It's not a case of "we're a small independent nation, heavily in debt, with few natural resources and we've just hacked off our biggest trading partner", it'll be a case of "we're part of the big boy's club".

History teaches us how the EU treats small nations. The Scots may not like Westminster rule, I suspect it's a lot more benevolent that EU rule would be.

Wordsmith
 
The EU is just a convenient 'excuse' for the SNP in their drive for independence. It's not a case of "we're a small independent nation, heavily in debt, with few natural resources and we've just hacked off our biggest trading partner", it'll be a case of "we're part of the big boy's club".

History teaches us how the EU treats small nations. The Scots may not like Westminster rule, I suspect it's a lot more benevolent that EU rule would be.

Wordsmith
Of course it won't be like Greece! Scotland is different....
Nippy wants to expand the population as it's too small. NHS needs more people (working not stacked in the corridors) Forget resources. The resources will appear when the population grows...
(Somebody needs to generate the taxes to pay for the ageing population).
 
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NSP

LE
Don't confuse the dreams of wee Nicki with that of the nation of Scotland.
Scotland will get what she wants if they keep voting her lot into Holyrood!
 

NSP

LE

NSP

LE
Of course it won't be like Greece! Scotland is different....
Nippy wants to expand the population as it's too small. NHS needs more people (working not stacked in the corridors) Forget resources. The resources will appear when the population grows...
(Somebody needs to generate the taxes to pay for the ageing population).
Except they don't really pay taxes when they're on the dole (the public sector is Scotland's main employer. Our public sector. Assuming we pull all our bureaucracy south of the border then their only tax payers will be a fistful of trawlermen, some prison officers, a few bar staff and a slack handful of distillers).
 
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Except they don't really pay taxes when they're on the dole (the public sector is Scotland's main employer. Our public sector. Assuming we pull all our bureaucracy south of the border then their only tax payers will be a fistful of trawlermen, some prison officers, a few bar staff and a slack handful of distillers.
What trawlers? EU will have those decommissioned.
 
Scottish independence means a 500% tariff on Buckfast.

Splash that all over social media and they’ll never leave.
 
Similar position here. At least family members have stopped sarcastically inspecting English currency given to them as change :rolleyes:

It does raise the question though, if the Scots were to become totally independent is there any way the remainder of the UK could prevent an independent Scotland using the pound sterling as their currency of choice? The same way that several countries use the US dollar as their official currency.

Obviously Scotland couldn't print their own sterling notes and the Bank of England would presumably declare Scottish notes no longer legal currency in the remainder of the UK. However, if the Scottish government said "We're sticking with sterling, get fucked" is there anything anyone could do about it?
 
Scottish independence means a 500% tariff on Buckfast.

Splash that all over social media and they’ll never leave.
And they'll annoy the septics, so tariffs on Crispy Creme and similar American sweet toothed items
 

Tyk

LE
An independent Scotland could use any currency that it wants, even someone else's. However it could only use Sterling (or the US Dollar, or the Euro) until the money runs out. After that it grinds to a halt or prints its own currency.
That's the question, how would Scotland buy its currency, irrespective of which one it is? If it printed its own then there's a gigantic credibility question as a brand new country that would start off with losing a very large number of employers (MoD and other Civil Service and UK banks and companies with HQ's in Scotland) isn't going to look like a rosy prospect for investment in their currency.
Oil is relatively cheap currently and the international companies bringing it ashore and processing it can afford to cut their losses and move if a new Scottish Government tried to impose swingeing taxes to prop up their economy, currency and services. If they expect the rest of the UK to then prop them up for a few decades while they try to get a functional economy then I would hope that notion would get very short shrift.
Incidentally the idea of Scotland joining the EU is pretty daft as I can easily see Spain exercising a veto due to their ongoing Catalan issue, the Belgians may not be enthusiastic as there are quite strong independence movements amongst both the Flemish and Walloons which are actively pressuring their Federal government plus Scotland would have to await its turn so it would likely be quite a few years. In truth while the SNP love to bash their gums about independence what they really want is more devolution, as much as they can get their paws on, but HM Treasury paying the bills.
 
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NI-EX-MEDIC

War Hero
Most of the disinformation and lies it spreads seems to be from her fellow far-lefties.
I have a cousin who works for the NHS in one of those 60k per year jobs, her husband is a university lecturer on 100k per year and she put the most cringeworthy post on facebook on friday morning about how her world had ended. As much as I do not like my youngest sisters views and her Guardian reading mates I am happy to report that she ripped the cousin a new ******** on all things Jeremy and momentum and this turned into the bitchfest of the year but the outcome was good as my little sister (the minx) had screengrabbed lots of posts that said champagne socialist cousin had made ove the past few weeks and put her to silent.
 

NI-EX-MEDIC

War Hero
That's the question, how would Scotland buy its currency, irrespective of which one it is? If it printed its own then there's a gigantic credibility question as a brand new country that would start off with losing a very large number of employers (MoD and other Civil Service and UK banks and companies with HQ's in Scotland) isn't going to look like a rosy prospect for investment in their currency.
Oil is relatively cheap currently and the international companies bringing it ashore and processing it can afford to cut their losses and move if a new Scottish Government tried to impose swingeing taxes to prop up their economy, currency and services. If they expect the rest of the UK to then prop them up for a few decades while they try to get a functional economy then I would hope that notion would get very short shrift.
Incidentally the idea of Scotland joining the EU is pretty daft as I can easily see Spain exercising a veto due to their ongoing Catalan issue, the Belgians may not be enthusiastic as there are quite strong independence movements amongst both the Flemish and Walloons which are actively pressuring their Federal government plus Scotland would have to await its turn so it would likely be quite a few years. In truth while the SNP love to bash their gums about independence what they really want is more devolution, as much as they can get their paws on, but HM Treasury paying the bills.
After all the nasty dirty downright scumbag behavior of the pro-ind movement the last time I would be of the opinion to let them go and F**k them but then I think about the 50 % that dont want it by reason that they cant or have no means getting to a polling station. Those are the people I feel sorry for, wee birney will deliver them into poverty and her party will crumble when the reality of going it alone sinks in. North sea oil ha ha ha ha you fools,uk dont even own it anymore.
 

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