General Election 2019 - Conservative with Majority

Who will be absolutely raging at Boris now for such a convincing win when she will be seen as just as successful as Jezza! :)
I bet she is! BJ didn’t in fact do that much better in overall terms:

2017 PMTM: 13,636,684 votes 42.4%
2019 PMBJ: 13,996,565 votes 43.6%

The decider was the Labour collapse.

PMTM actually also did rather better in 2017 than 2015:

2015 CMD: 11,334,226 votes 36.9%
2017 PMTM: 13,636,684 votes 42.4%

but the huge surge back to Labour did for her majority.

Compare to Tony Blair in 2001:

2001 TCTB: 10,724,963 votes 40.7%
2017 PMTM: 13,636,684 votes 42.4%

but he got 400+ seats!
 
I bet she is! BJ didn’t in fact do that much better in overall terms:

2017 PMTM: 13,636,684 votes 42.4%
2019 PMBJ: 13,996,565 votes 43.6%

The decider was the Labour collapse.

PMTM actually also did rather better in 2017 than 2015:

2015 CMD: 11,334,226 votes 36.9%
2017 PMTM: 13,636,684 votes 42.4%

but the huge surge back to Labour did for her majority.

Compare to Tony Blair in 2001:

2001 TCTB: 10,724,963 votes 40.7%
2017 PMTM: 13,636,684 votes 42.4%

but he got 400+ seats!
Presumably, the Boundary Commission changes will now go ahead, which should benefit the Tories in 5 years time?

I wonder if the FTPA will also be changed?
 
This is a popular misconception that needs killing off. For far too long people have believed that paying your stamp means entitlement to free everything from the Welfare state. Which in theory is fine, but in reality, somewhat less so.

Total NIC receipts this tax year are supposed to be just over £143Bn, see linky.

Sadly, demands on that fund - which isn't just NHS, it's also pensions, benefits etc - are about £320Bn for 2020, according to this link.

Which can be interpreted one of two ways - either the NIC rate has to more than double, or the level of welfare state spend is unsustainable on the current model. I personally think it's somewhere between the two, but the starting point for that conversation is that we have to constrain the expectations for the overall welfare state. Not because of immigration, but primarily because we have an ageing population, living longer and with more expensive treatments being thought of as a "right". Which means that retirement age has to rise and pension contributions with it and some of the more ridiculous NHS demands (tatt removal, boob jobs, lipo etc) proscribed. There may have to be some form of additional insurance based contribution - just like the French system.

Popular as a pork chop in a synagogue, but there you go. It's not going to get any more palatable as time goes by, so best to bite the bullet now, rather than pretend it's all down to underfunding as Magic Grandpa and his acolytes would have you believe. It's excess demand, pure and simple.


My bold the NHS, apart from being badly managed seems to delight in treating all & sundry irrespective of actual entitlement. By entitlement I mean those who by living and working here and paying tax and/or NI, including their families who are resident here as well, should receive "free" treatment. IMHO all others should have to have a valid health insurance BEFORE they arrive. No insurance, NO entry. This might stop the large number of "health tourists" who take advantage of this laxity.
snip "Professor J Meirion Thomas, speaking to the BBC this morning, cited Lord Bates as having said the cost of visitors to the NHS in 2012-13 £2bn, which is approximately 2% of the NHS budget"
.Asked if we clawed any funding back from other countries, Professor Thomas said: “As far as I know, we didn’t get anything back.”
 
My bold the NHS, apart from being badly managed seems to delight in treating all & sundry irrespective of actual entitlement. By entitlement I mean those who by living and working here and paying tax and/or NI, including their families who are resident here as well, should receive "free" treatment. IMHO all others should have to have a valid health insurance BEFORE they arrive. No insurance, NO entry. This might stop the large number of "health tourists" who take advantage of this laxity.
snip "Professor J Meirion Thomas, speaking to the BBC this morning, cited Lord Bates as having said the cost of visitors to the NHS in 2012-13 £2bn, which is approximately 2% of the NHS budget"
.Asked if we clawed any funding back from other countries, Professor Thomas said: “As far as I know, we didgn’t get anything back.”
I have said this many times before; the US insists that all visitors hold health insurance upon arrival at a US Port of Entry. It in no way deters abuse of their medical system because it is a myth that you won't be treated without insurance cover.*

*Eisenhower saw to that in the 1950s.
 

TamH70

MIA
How DARE the working class vote for Boris. How dare they!!!


BoJo, best PM ever.
If any prospective medical college head shed* whom she's trying to get a place from to study medicine sees that, she's more fucked than Madonna was when John Holmes got amongst her.

*And that would be pretty much all of them seeing as how they all seem to have a social media presence now.
 
No, my midwife sister is similar.

The Tories have done a secret deal to sell off the NHS before 2021.

The End.
Anyone who has a) actually worked for the NHS, b) under both Red and Blue governments, and c) thinks it makes a blind bit of difference, is d) helping themselves to the drugs trolley.

The NHS' principal problem is the NHS. The sitting government are an irritation, no more.
 
Well those folks will be the future “resistance”, so be prepared for that. They will never recognize the GE results as legit.
I don't know. I liked this bit:

For their part, Labour line-takers were keen to concentrate on the differences between the 2017 and 2019 elections, but would arguably benefit more from accepting the similarities. Which are that they lost both times. This one was the real bed-shitter, though. Jeremy Corbyn has announced he will not fight the next election, but will stay in post to preside over the process of dealing with its fallout. This feels a bit like BP pitching for the contract to clean up the Gulf of Mexico after the Deepwater Horizon spill.

Unfortunately, Corbyn’s promise of a “period of reflection” did not seem to be politician-speak for looking at himself in the mirror. Instead, a period of reflection led by a man who hasn’t changed his mind since 1970 seems an inevitable act of political Dadaism.
Seems fair comment to me ...
 

StormsInAfrica

Old-Salt
Anyone who has a) actually worked for the NHS, b) under both Red and Blue governments, and c) thinks it makes a blind bit of difference, is d) helping themselves to the drugs trolley.

The NHS' principal problem is the NHS. The sitting government are an irritation, no more.

No, no, no!

It's Tories!
 
If only you old feckers had died like you were supposed to and that the yoof all turned 18 and went out to vote for Magik Grampa.
Now I'm going to have to pay for my own fecking broadband.
 

Slime

LE
In what sense does Scotland not fully use GBP? AFAIA, Scotland uses the same pounds coins as the rest of the UK but also has the right for certain banks to issue their own notes, which are legal currency (although not legal tender).


I don't how the system works when an independent country uses another country's currency,

I wouldn't know about acceptance of banknotes either here in Scotland or down in England or Wales. I have teenage children; any physical currency I have blinks into and out of existence quicker than a virtual quantum particle. I use cards for everything, including the chippy!
You answered your question in your reply :)
 
Scotland doesn’t fully use the U.K. pound at the moment, let alone later.
They could could keep the coins, and their Scottish notes, but without the union (as you mention) or the remainder of the UKs reserve to back it up it would be as valuable as toilet paper.

ETA.
As I have relatives in Scotland I regularly use Scottish bank notes down south, and already regularly get asked if it’s real money :)
Similar position here. At least family members have stopped sarcastically inspecting English currency given to them as change :rolleyes:

It does raise the question though, if the Scots were to become totally independent is there any way the remainder of the UK could prevent an independent Scotland using the pound sterling as their currency of choice? The same way that several countries use the US dollar as their official currency.

Obviously Scotland couldn't print their own sterling notes and the Bank of England would presumably declare Scottish notes no longer legal currency in the remainder of the UK. However, if the Scottish government said "We're sticking with sterling, get fucked" is there anything anyone could do about it?
 
You had to be inspired by the Labour Communist Party strategy:

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Hopefully it will continue:
All you socialists can **** off

then all you Trotskyists can **** off

and then all you (insert other flavour of Marxist grouping here) can **** off

until you eventually end up with John McDonnell alone in a room, screaming and wiping shit on the walls. At least he'll be ideologically pure :)
 

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