General Election 2017 - The Consequences

Said it before, will say it again.

If Brexit was the issue then why would people vote for a different party that would carry out a process that would lead to the same Brexit result that the Tories planned.

That is, of course, you are not suggesting that some people didn't actually have a clue about what they were actually voting for.

Brexit was not the issue some make out, the share of votes tell us that as the two main parties creaming the most against Brexit LOST vote share.
 
mainly referring to London. Huge number of remoaners, including my constituency where the Tory majority was halved.
So they voted for a party also committed to a full brexit, no half measure like saying in the CU, etc, meaning that they were as thick as pigcrap as they clearly did not know what they were actually voting in favour of.
 
The move in the middle class vote was largely generated by the 'dementia tax' proposals.
Next time, to counter the Dementia Tax point out that if you still have your home after finding the Garden Tax (sell the family silver and grandpop's medals) and it has not been requisitioned for refugees you will be fortunate.
 
Said it before, will say it again.

If Brexit was the issue then why would people vote for a different party that would carry out a process that would lead to the same Brexit result that the Tories planned.

That is, of course, you are not suggesting that some people didn't actually have a clue about what they were actually voting for.

Brexit was not the issue some make out, the share of votes tell us that as the two main parties creaming the most against Brexit LOST vote share.
Definitely, on my facebook fed there were loads of people who are adamant that Labour want a soft Brexit.... I',m not talking about just thick students. Loads of people,middle aged old aged. genuinely think Labour want a soft brexit, despite the fact that Corbyn is probably deep down more of a Brexiteer than May.... Things were looking so bad in my constitunecy that our MP was at one point thinking about a losing speech. We came across countlelss tory voters who weren't voting for us because of brexit. I honestly reckon more than half of the people I know (again as a Londoner), don't know the difference between ACCESS to the single market and membership of the Single Market. You'll be suprised at how politically uninformed most people are. If there was a percentile ranking for understanding of politics, most arrsers especially on this thread would be in the top 5 percentile....
 
Many traditional Labour voters, who had switched to UKIP, simply thought that they had made their point by voting for Brexit, and could now return to Labour. PMTM miscalculated in thinking that these voters could be wooed by the Tories.
 
Next time, to counter the Dementia Tax point out that if you still have your home after finding the Garden Tax (sell the family silver and grandpop's medals) and it has not been requisitioned for refugees you will be fortunate.
That was the problem, the Tory manifesto came out first, iirc, so the "Garden Tax" was lost in the furore over the "Social Care" debacle.

If things had been worded differently, there would not have been the same nonsense flying around and the "Garden Tax" would likely have attracted a bit more attention.
 
Definitely, on my facebook fed there were loads of people who are adamant that Labour want a soft Brexit.... I',m not talking about just thick students. Loads of people,middle aged old aged. genuinely think Labour want a soft brexit, despite the fact that Corbyn is probably deep down more of a Brexiteer than May.... Things were looking so bad in my constitunecy that our MP was at one point thinking about a losing speech. We came across countlelss tory voters who weren't voting for us because of brexit. I honestly reckon more than half of the people I know (again as a Londoner), don't know the difference between ACCESS to the single market and membership of the Single Market. You'll be suprised at how politically uninformed most people are. If there was a percentile ranking for understanding of politics, most arrsers especially on this thread would be in the top 5 percentile....
I wouldn't be, you just have to look at some here to see that.
 
Definitely, on my facebook fed there were loads of people who are adamant that Labour want a soft Brexit.... I',m not talking about just thick students. Loads of people,middle aged old aged. genuinely think Labour want a soft brexit, despite the fact that Corbyn is probably deep down more of a Brexiteer than May.... Things were looking so bad in my constitunecy that our MP was at one point thinking about a losing speech. We came across countlelss tory voters who weren't voting for us because of brexit. I honestly reckon more than half of the people I know (again as a Londoner), don't know the difference between ACCESS to the single market and membership of the Single Market. You'll be suprised at how politically uninformed most people are. If there was a percentile ranking for understanding of politics, most arrsers especially on this thread would be in the top 5 percentile....
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So what happens next time? given the next GE will be after BREXIT and we will be out? Will the Remoners revert to their original tribal loyalty (looks like a lot of Lab Brexiters already have), continue to vote for Corbyn to punish the Tories, vote Limp Dem, Green or SNP to re-join EU or drop out and not vote? As far as the swing UKIP back to Lab, do you think that if there is a fudge on immigration (Labour weak point) there could be a limited UKIP revival?
 
Elections are not won - they are lost

This Corbyn does not have to win he has to wait until May loses, which on current form is a racing certainty

The are a lot of head winds in the next couple of years which could prove to be the Tories undoing, on current form they are heading for a defeat

Archie
One small flaw in your thesis.

May won't be leading the Tories into another election....

The only reason she is still there is there is no appetite in the Tory party for another election at this time.
 
One small flaw in your thesis.

May won't be leading the Tories into another election....

The only reason she is still there is there is no appetite in the Tory party for another election at this time.
I think May coughed to that before this election
It's been flying about for a while that she would see Brexit through and be off.
 
Really? Corbyn, tw@t that he is, appears to be riding high in popularity amongst many sections. So much so that he no longer has a negative rating and his party have a 5 or 6 point lead in the polls (which we all know are a waste of time nowadays). The traditional Labour voters (whoever they are nowadays) have been replaced by the other demographics.
For some reason, many people are rather besotted with the guy (God alone only knows why) and writing him off was one of May's failings.
Hopefully the great British public will come to their senses should there be another election (God, I hope not) but, judging by some of the results over the last couple of years, I wouldn't hold my breath.
This alliance with the DUP appears to be doing May no favours in the popularity stakes. There will be quite a few very important votes in the next few months and hanging in by the skin of her teeth is going to get very wearing.
50 odd more seats over the next party might sound good but when the next party has but when the next party is anti-Tory and has 35 seats and the one after that, also anti-Tory, has 12 seats then it tends to get eaten up rather quickly.
May is pretty lucky that a party not far away won't take up their seats and that the Speaker and his 2 deputies don't vote.
A spoonful of the medicine the IMF dispenses and a couple of Winters of Discontent with annual inflation 20%> will provide the tonic the masses need to bring them to their senses.

Happened last time we had a socialist Government and Callaghan and Wilson were not nearly as socilaist as Jezza
 
Don't forget that in some constituencies the other parties stood aside and urged their voters to vote Labour and stop the Tories.
I doubt that will happen again
 
Don't forget that in some constituencies the other parties stood aside and urged their voters to vote Labour and stop the Tories.
I doubt that will happen again
you never know with the lib dems especially given that VInce Cable is going to be their leader... Remember he was caught on tape supporting a progressive alliance....
 
Now that is funny as hell...


And it shows that the Labour party is facing some rather serious issues which are highly likely to explode spectacularly in the near future.
Abbo is retained for her loyalty to dear leader not for her leadership skills as Shadow Home Scecretary..
 

seaweed

LE
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The succession must depend on who comes out of Brexit smelling of roses and who of the other thing. All to play for.

Leadsom came across last year as wet as a scrubber.
 
Definitely, on my facebook fed there were loads of people who are adamant that Labour want a soft Brexit.... I',m not talking about just thick students. Loads of people,middle aged old aged. genuinely think Labour want a soft brexit, despite the fact that Corbyn is probably deep down more of a Brexiteer than May.... Things were looking so bad in my constitunecy that our MP was at one point thinking about a losing speech. We came across countlelss tory voters who weren't voting for us because of brexit. I honestly reckon more than half of the people I know (again as a Londoner), don't know the difference between ACCESS to the single market and membership of the Single Market. You'll be suprised at how politically uninformed most people are. If there was a percentile ranking for understanding of politics, most arrsers especially on this thread would be in the top 5 percentile....
Liam Fox spelled it out very clearly on this weeks QT.

The referendum vote was to leave the EU. But remaining in the single market or customs union is not leaving the EU.

Therefore the term Soft Brexit is a complete misnomer.
 
You might want to try thinking every now and again rather than going all bold font and shouty. Why do you think Militant are back and more importantly, why are they able to mobilise the youth vote easily?

No taking the easy option and blaming callow youth and its inexperience. Why are they now going out to vote and to vote for Corbyn of all people?
Because they are the ones who are using social media to spread lies. A classic is the one Prof. Brian Cox ( a rabid anti Brexiteer) spread on his twitter a/c before the last election. He is followed by more than 2.5 million on twitter and over half a million on facebook and is regarded by many of the gullible youth as being infallible. This is what he posted as TRUTH .using the alleged mistype as a rod to snipe at the conservatives. "At last a tory that tells the truth", .
James Conwyn MP, Conservative Candidate for Earlingford Abbey, tweets:
#VoteConservative if you want strong & stable leadershit.
— James Conwyn MP (@MP_JamesConwyn) June 2, 2017

Except there is A) no MP called James Conway and B) there is no constituency with that name , but the gullible took it as gospel. It is this insidious lying which was and still is, being used to brainwash the gullible and when people like Cox uses his exposure on the beeb to push his political agenda it gives such rubbish credibility with these idiots..
And god help us, momentum and their ilk want the voting age to be dropped further to 16 as they are even more gullible.
 

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