General Dannatt makes speech about longer tour intervals

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  1. According to BBC news webpage, General Dannatt has made a speech saying tour intervals need to be longer (30months), equipment improved and perhaps most importantly proposes a re-structuring of Brigades from 10 to 6 in order to achieve balance.

    Interestingly one of the linked articles on the side reports the Defence Secretary saying that the UK would seriously consider any USA request for more troops for Afghanistan. Hard to see how this can be reconciled with the General's aspirations. Are they not speaking now that CGS is nearing his retirement in the Summer?

    A further link on the page quotes Milliband as saying that reports of a further 2,000 UK troops being deployed are purely speculation. It reminds me of when John Reid was challenged after his "not a single shot" claim. He was asked in an interview whether reports of 4,500 troops going into Afghanistan were correct. He repeatedly said that such reports were wildly inaccurate, speculation and not figures he recognised. Of course he was telling the truth - we were planning on a deployment of 5,500.

    Politicians - you know when they are lying because their lips are moving.
  2. Who are the 10 bdes?
  3. Combat formations
    1 Mechanised Brigade
    4 Mechanised Brigade
    7 Armoured Brigade
    12 Mechanised Brigade
    16 Air Assault Brigade
    19 Light Brigade
    20 Armoured Brigade
    52 Infantry Brigade

    plus the two logistics brigades attached to 1st and 3rd division
  4. DPM

    DPM Old-Salt

    1, 3, 4, 7, 11, 12, 16, 19, 20, 52?

  5. Correctomundo - 101 & 102 Log Bdes, however 101 are currently re-roled as 11 Light Brigade.
  6. You're right, too early in the morning!
  7. 3? Do we have one of them again? 3 Inf Bde was disbanded around 2004?
  8. I left 11 out as it's only back for one six-month stint this year.
  9. Not too long ago General D made a speech, I believe at RUSI, in which he made the case for increasing the number of brigades now he states he wants there to be fewer but larger. How does he square this? :?

    I'm also not so sure that 52 Inf Bde should be included in the list of ten deployable brigades; it lacks any integral Arty, Engr, Armour or CSS units and merely consists of three infantry battalions, and that's it. When it did deploy a year or so ago it had to cobble together units from other formations.
  10. The other thing is of course that he is going in six months time. Has he squared this off with his successor?
  11. One of many points on his Hand over/Take over notes..................
  12. The number of 'deployable' Bde HQs has increased under General Dannatt's tenure (albeit by two temporarily deployable formations 11 Bde and 52 Bde) for the simple reason that the existing number 8 (7 in the army, and 3 Cdo Bde) could not sustain the plot of 2 enduring missions. How will a reduction to 6 work?

    SDR gave the forces 6 bde HQs (1, 4, 7, 12, 19 and 20) for enduring missions plus 3 CDO and 16 AA as contingency forces. And that was based on the planning assumption of 6 on, 24 off). A six month deployment with a 30 month interval requires a minimum of 7 brigades to sustain a single mission.

    Let's just hope HMG doesn't decide to send the boys to more than one sand pit at a time.
  13. You wrote that far more eloquently than I could!

    Maybe that is CGS's point; reduce (return...) to 6 Bdes and tie the hands of future commanders so that the Army cannot be over-committed by the politicians?

    Maybe not!

  14. Maybe this is a precursor to one year tours....?
  15. Which of course works brilliantly until there is an inescapable NEED for two long term deployments! :x

    A suggestion best left well alone.