Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

#1
Guess he had nowhere else to go.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/us_and_canada/10442772.stm

"The former US commander in Afghanistan, General Stanley McChrystal, who was fired last week by President Barack Obama, is to leave the US Army.

He was dismissed after criticising US administration officials in a Rolling Stone magazine profile.

US Army spokesman Col Tom Collins told AP that Gen McChrystal had notified the service that he wanted to retire but had yet to submit formal plans......................."
 

seaweed

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#3
Books, lecture tours - I think Obama is going to regret this.
 
#5
Petraeus was already mentioned for the Republican nomination in 2012, so I think McChrystal won't make a chance there.
But he'll be able to make a decent living in the lecture circuit. As Seaweed said above: Obama might regret this!
 
#6
Kaye said:
Petraeus was already mentioned for the Republican nomination in 2012, so I think McChrystal won't make a chance there.
If he was minded to help a Petraeus 2012 bid then he could certainly use the lecture circuit to forcefully establish the narrative that Obama and not the US military 'lost' in Afghanistan.

I'd imagine the perception that Obama is putting his re-election above potential US success overseas will go down like a bucket of sh*t with most voters.
 
#7
Strait_Jacket said:
Kaye said:
Petraeus was already mentioned for the Republican nomination in 2012, so I think McChrystal won't make a chance there.
If he was minded to help a Petraeus 2012 bid then he could certainly use the lecture circuit to forcefully establish the narrative that Obama and not the US military 'lost' in Afghanistan.

I'd imagine the perception that Obama is putting his re-election above potential US success overseas will go down like a bucket of sh*t with most voters.
I think you've got a point there. The GOP can certainly use the generals' strong media presence to help defeat the current president. Petraeus can be kept out of the wind while bulldog McChrystal uses his retired status to hack into Obama. Anyway, Petraeus has a job to do in Afghanistan and would be wise to keep his head down the coming months and get on with it.
If and when he's done in 'Stan he will have fixed both the Iraq and Afghanistan wars for the American's and can spend that kudos for the Republicans.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

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#8
McChrystal's going to have to raise his game if he wants to produce any sort of political effect - his Rolling Stone performance was remedial and the thought that anyone with such a tenuous grasp of the media can have any profound insight across the spectrum of COIN is bizarre. Certainly he'll reinforce the views of the anti-Obama brigade but most of them are already halfway to the Grassy Knoll. McChrystal was the architect of his own downfall and the manner of his going will not make him the most persuasive of advocates. Petraeus is a much more scary prospect for Obama - a smart operator with a track record of success and, under the circumstances of his appointment, almost fireproof politically.
 
#9
Amazing really,Barry O'Bumble goes on about the US being the cradle of democracy,and the nasty "british" system being the next worst thing to communism,and yet?

We have Senior Officers in the Armed Forces,who have criticised successive governments for what they saw as policies that were detrimental to Ops/Soldiers wellbeing/Equipment/lack of/failures,etc,yet still managed to continue serving in theatre without the interview sans coffee,makes you wonder don't it?
 
#10
RoofRat said:
Amazing really,Barry O'Bumble goes on about the US being the cradle of democracy,and the nasty "british" system being the next worst thing to communism,and yet?

We have Senior Officers in the Armed Forces,who have criticised successive governments for what they saw as policies that were detrimental to Ops/Soldiers wellbeing/Equipment/lack of/failures,etc,yet still managed to continue serving in theatre without the interview sans coffee,makes you wonder don't it?
I made the same point elsewhere, Americans rant on about free speech but it is a Hollywood facade, like the whole structure of the nation. One day it will all fall flat.
 
#12
To be expected. No doubt the lecture circuit will be lucrative but I'm sure he will feel the loss of being there for his troops. No doubt he can campaign for them in the political arena now.
 
#13
FORMER_FYRDMAN said:
McChrystal's going to have to raise his game if he wants to produce any sort of political effect - his Rolling Stone performance was remedial and the thought that anyone with such a tenuous grasp of the media can have any profound insight across the spectrum of COIN is bizarre. Certainly he'll reinforce the views of the anti-Obama brigade but most of them are already halfway to the Grassy Knoll. McChrystal was the architect of his own downfall and the manner of his going will not make him the most persuasive of advocates. Petraeus is a much more scary prospect for Obama - a smart operator with a track record of success and, under the circumstances of his appointment, almost fireproof politically.
Yup. My very unscientific sampling of US public opinion makes me think that there is not a great deal of sympathy for the general outside the ranks of the Gibbering Brethren - there are far sharper teeth poised to bite the presidential bum. But if he does want to make something of it, Gen McChrystal might like to spend some of his resettlement grant on attending Info Ops 101.

C_C
 
#14
I don't think McChrystal will make a run for the Presidency - or endorse the policies of the rabid right - ....he'll make far more money - with fewer headaches - in the private sector.
Freedoms? Hmmm.....well - I don't see our buildings/lamposts/F*ck knows what else bristling with cameras spying on me over here (though, sadly, I'm sure Vladimir OBumble will get round to it)! Didn't Dannatt's willingness to criticise his political masters bring his career to a rather abrupt end?

McChrystal admitted he screwed up (and fully expected his removal prior to his final interview at the White House) - he dissed his Commander in Chief and allowed his staff to do the same - a subtle difference to any Brit' senior officer publicly slagging off the PM/various Ministers.
While not an Obama fan I believe the President was left with no alternative other than to remove Stan from command.

Petraeus as a Presidential candidate for 2012? I don't know..... if the Obama regime consider him a serious threat I don't give much for his chances of surviving Afghanistan with reputation/integrity/credibility intact.

The next Presidential election in the USA will require UN observers! Acorn's dirty tricks will look like kindergarten games compared to the subversion in store for us all I fear.
 
#15
The anti politics sentiment in the US is staggering at the moment, they WANT a new Teddy Roosevelt, they want someone crass and blunt who can actually do something.

Obama is the very embodiment of a politician created by political systems, and his ludicrously unpopular for a chap who has not done very much wrong (I think they are coming to terms with career politicians doing very little as a way of life).

In all seriousness observing the amount of hand rubbing going on right now, the prospect of a real genuine no nonsense war hero going up against a man who has barely faught his corner in the oval office (sorry) has got the high level republicans going ape shit.
 
#17
Pigshyt_Freeman said:
seaweed said:
Books, lecture tours - I think Obama is going to regret this.
Lyndon Johnson used to say of such difficult subordinates: "Better to have him inside the tent p1ssing out, than outside the tent p1ssing in."
Quite.
 

seaweed

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#18
Sarah Palin's VP?
 
#19
One element in the Rolling Stone article that didn't make it in to the Sunday Times abridged piece is his ability to talk direct to the "coal face" troops and try to show them a bigger picture.

He has faced alot of criticism from US soldiers about courageous restraint and ends up following an email invite from a soldier going on an op. 6 weeks later when one of the troops he went on patrol with was killed by an IED, he goes back again to see them and spends time in discussion.

That willingness to get down and explain the nitty gritty in a bigger context is something that will inevitably challenge the more cerebal obama/petraeus approachs. Interesting times

original article here
 
#20
A couple of Observations:

1- You give up certain rights while serving. No one wants an argument while being told to take a Hill under fire. extreme example, but you cant have a Lincoln, McClellan situation.

2-McCrystal for GOP in 2012? dont think so:
a- He doesn't seem interested like a Colin Powell
b- He admits to voting for Obama in 2008

3- Petraeus for President? Again don't think he wants that, when he can easily be the next Chief of Staff of the Army and likely a future Chairman, Joint Chiefs.
 

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