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GCSEs are no more

jarrod248

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#2
BBC News - Tough new O-Levels to replace GCSEs under Gove plan

Long overdue or unnecessary change? No doubt some of Gove's mates in the private sector will swoop in to deliver and design the new exam.

GCSEs were a farce when I did them ~11 years ago. One of the questions for GCSE Physics paper was something like "Which one of these emits light? A) A dog; B) A stick; C) A Lightbulb; D) A Brick".

I still got it wrong.
Yawn it was the Tories that fetched in GCSE's
 

jarrod248

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Gallery Guru
#6
I'm sure they'll **** this latest reform up as has every government with every reform.
It's not about reform it's about snatching money for themselves. All these ideas they have they've done before, they just fill their pockets and the pockets of their supporters.
 

Grumblegrunt

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Book Reviewer
#7
O levels at least required an understanding of the subject so you could answer surprise questions instead of the by rote here's what will be in the paper learning they are doing at the moment.

FFS most of them cant even read a book properly. my neighbours lad is a great kid but reading to him is fishing magazine.
 

jarrod248

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Gallery Guru
#8
O levels at least required an understanding of the subject so you could answer surprise questions instead of the by rote here's what will be in the paper learning they are doing at the moment.

FFS most of them cant even read a book properly. my neighbours lad is a great kid but reading to him is fishing magazine.
Yes I got a whole load of surprise questions in one of my exams, we'd not covered any of them. Oh how we laughed when we all guessed in the multiple choice.
 

Mr_Fingerz

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Book Reviewer
#10
It's only happening in England (education is a devolved matter). I can just see all of the Universities, Polyversities and Collegvesities being overjoyed by the sheer diversity of the types of qualifications that matriculating students present to them when trying for admission.
 

jarrod248

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#12
It's only happening in England (education is a devolved matter). I can just see all of the Universities, Polyversities and Collegvesities being overjoyed by the sheer diversity of the types of qualifications that matriculating students present to them when trying for admission.
You're right they'll need some sort of Agency to oversee it. Choo choo gravy train.
 
#13
I did my GCE's in the army and they weren't easy. German in particular was a stinker - if you hadn't mastered a reasonable level of German you were stuffed. Later on I helped my daughter through hods of GCSE's, with some pass marks as low as 47% I was forced to wonder at the point of them. She suffered later when she did her law degree, which was a bloody hard slog.
 
#14
How is it that any talk of GCSEs compared with the GCE O Level, always managed to completely forget the CSE exams?

Are only young people around who never knew these? Have the older ones lost their memory?

The simple fact is that the GCSE replaced both the CSEs and the GCE O (Ordinary) Levels, but their equivalency compared with the CSE not the GCE O level. The only way they can share a very weak link is that the Grade 1 CSE was supposed to be equal to a Grade C O level. A grade 1 pass at GCSE was supposed to be equal to a grade C pass at O level, but after the introductory years this standard slipped considerably. In both level of attainment and in the grading of exam scripts. The GCSE uses a POSITIVE marking system where enough points can be given for partial answers to scrape a pass. For example in English Lang, an asnwer given as Bollocks! would be wrong and get zero points under the GCE system, but with the GCSE POSITIVE marking system the candidate would get a mark for the capital letter and another for the punctuation.

Compare that with such clauses specified in the CGE O Level syllabus which said;
"A fundamental of English Langueage is that a sentence must start with a capital letter and end with a full stop. Candidates who fail to demonstrate this after their course of study cannot achieve a pass at Ordinary Level."
Thus you can see it was far more strict in it's implementation. For example, someone using block letters in an essay instead of proper handwriting, could not get an O level pass. When you consider that such factors as handwriting were also graded for marks as well, it was a much stricter exam. It's easy to extrapolate this standard across all subjects.

Those of us who know these things for what they are have never considered the GCSE as being equal to an O Level. Further, some students are placed on the foundation level courses, where the higest grade they could get is a grade 3. That would loosely equate to a grade 4 at the old CSE, which many employers viewed as a fail. A pass grade so low after 2 years of study that it was frequently disregarded.


- Troy, calling a spade a spade!
 

jarrod248

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Gallery Guru
#16
How is it that any talk of GCSEs compared with the GCE O Level, always managed to completely forget the CSE exams?

Are only young people around who never knew these? Have the older ones lost their memory?

The simple fact is that the GCSE replaced both the CSEs and the GCE O (Ordinary) Levels, but their equivalency compared with the CSE not the GCE O level. The only way they can share a very weak link is that the Grade 1 CSE was supposed to be equal to a Grade C O level. A grade 1 pass at GCSE was supposed to be equal to a grade C pass at O level, but after the introductory years this standard slipped considerably. In both level of attainment and in the grading of exam scripts. The GCSE uses a POSITIVE marking system where enough points can be given for partial answers to scrape a pass. For example in English Lang, an asnwer given as Bollocks! would be wrong and get zero points under the GCE system, but with the GCSE POSITIVE marking system the candidate would get a mark for the capital letter and another for the punctuation.

Compare that with such clauses specified in the CGE O Level syllabus which said;
"A fundamental of English Langueage is that a sentence must start with a capital letter and end with a full stop. Candidates who fail to demonstrate this after their course of study cannot achieve a pass at Ordinary Level."
Thus you can see it was far more strict in it's implementation. For example, someone using block letters in an essay instead of proper handwriting, could not get an O level pass. When you consider that such factors as handwriting were also graded for marks as well, it was a much stricter exam. It's easy to extrapolate this standard across all subjects.

Those of us who know these things for what they are have never considered the GCSE as being equal to an O Level. Further, some students are placed on the foundation level courses, where the higest grade they could get is a grade 3. That would loosely equate to a grade 4 at the old CSE, which many employers viewed as a fail. A pass grade so low after 2 years of study that it was frequently disregarded.


- Troy, calling a spade a spade!
You didn't mention the 16+
 

jarrod248

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Gallery Guru
#17
And were totally fucked when the reality hit them of the pointlessness of a grade a pass at GCSE level studies in media politics or some such tripe.
Never fear my boyfriends brother in law who is an artist will soon have a Ph.d. I'm not sure how it'll help him as a hospital porter though.
 
#18
You didn't mention the 16+
No I didn't did I, neither did I mention the International Baccalaureate, GCE A Levels, or even the 11+. But then those were not relevant to my post.

It's clear to me and many others that the GCSEs have failed kids and given them expectations beyond their worth. The exams that is, not necessarily the kids. The level of Hyperbole around the GCSEs have elevated them to also legendary, mythological status. Instead, they are more like the "Emperorer's new clothes".
 

jarrod248

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Gallery Guru
#19
No I didn't did I, neither did I mention the International Baccalaureate, GCE A Levels, or even the 11+. But then those were not relevant to my post.

It's clear to me and many others that the GCSEs have failed kids and given them expectations beyond their worth. The exams that is, not necessarily the kids. The level of Hyperbole around the GCSEs have elevated them to also legendary, mythological status. Instead, they are more like the "Emperorer's new clothes".
The 16+ was surely relevant as if you didn't do well enough to pass at 'O' level you were awarded a CSE.
 

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