Dubb_al_Ibn said:Early eighties, somewhere between us and RoI. Gazelle every day for a recce flight along the border. Brilliant. Up over the rocket screen, over the goal posts of the GAA pitch and out in a tight turn just in case they had anything to shoot us down with. Nothing in front of you except perspex... felt like you were flying. (Stabalized binos always made me feel sick, though.)
Good old Gazelle. Fast as f**k and sod all protection ! That was a recce machine.
tropper66 said:Stab binos now theres a puke from the past, I tried heli tele once and puked my ring
Grey24-7 said:We should take a leaf out of the septics book and buy something like the UH 72 Lakota, though I'd base it off the EC635
mushroom said:Seriously 7 Regt did a good job for the AAC. It handled a lot of ass and trash jobs that the Regs were too busy or too knackered to do and took a lot of pressure off the regular pilots whilst still maintaining a service. What will happen now is either the AAC will turn down tasks and urine off very senior people or accept tasks and urine off pilots.
The-Lord-Flasheart said:mushroom said:Seriously 7 Regt did a good job for the AAC. It handled a lot of ass and trash jobs that the Regs were too busy or too knackered to do and took a lot of pressure off the regular pilots whilst still maintaining a service. What will happen now is either the AAC will turn down tasks and urine off very senior people or accept tasks and urine off pilots.
You're quite right (regarding the SNCO side too). 7 Regt took up an awful lot of tasking that the regular Regts counld't. Some perceive the TA Regt and Flts as just 'Generals Taxi Service' but in the past few years its been far from that. Their tasking has taken the strain off not only the AAC but the RAF too. For example, day NVG recces. There is a requirement in peace time to carry out recces of NVG routes. It doesn't matter what type of aircraft carries it out as its just confirming that a low level route is clear of obstructions. Of late, the Gazelles have been used in this task. Now they are gone, Chinooks, Merlins, Lynx and Apaches have to carry out their own recces. You may say 'its still flying so has good training value'. Not really. Depending on the route, the task could take 1 half hours or so. Thats 1 1/2 hours that could be spent doing CTT, CTR or PDT for those valuable assets.
Gazelles cost virtually nothing to operate. The plan was that all Gazelles go. But its become a false economy. Because we are still keeping a handful of Gazelles, we still have a burden of cost in the spares, maintenance and the training chain. So it makes very little difference if we had 4 Gazelles or 40 Gazelles in service. You still need those lines in place. The argument that has pretty much killed the Gazelle is the fact that it can't be deployed operationally any more. With that against it, it can't justify itself at the table hence it being binned. How much money will be saved? Certainly not the amount of money that will be spent by other platforms filling its place. Gazelle costs about Â£1200 an hour to operate (very rough guestimate). How much does an Apache cost? Or a Chinook? With most units (RAF and AAC) almost constantly either deployed or carrying out PDT, who is going to support the rest of the field army carrying out their tasks? Who's going to do the ABFAC? AOP? Liaison? Great if its connected to PDT but not if its non PDT centric. Remember, the British Army is still going about its usual business of exercises and the like.
FABLONBIFFCHIT said:Gutted. I served there 1992-1994 when it was RAF Bruggen (Javelin Bks that is). They kept that close to their chests. Would have been nice for a closing down ceremony.