Gas-guzzling cars should pay £1,800 road tax

#1
Well well. Another way to fill the coffers then.

Their overriding reason for this hike in road tax?

The MPs' report said: "Considering that climate change is probably the greatest long-term challenge facing the human races, this appears a case ultimately of acting neither fast nor far enough."

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article1217378.ece

Add this to the toll road/VAT on petrol/insurance etc etc.

Now the idea might have some merit if their is a viable alternative but there isn't.

Funnily enough the development of pure electric cars (not hybrid) seems to have all but disappeared. There have been cars produced that are very nearly the same as petrol driven cars in terms of range and speed but you can't buy them in Europe.

I wonder if the fact that you can "fill them up" from your house plug socket had any bearing on this? Not a lot of extra tax to had you see.

To quote someone "Solar power will only become widespread when someone finds out how to tax sunlight"...
 
#2
Steven said:
Well well. Another way to fill the coffers then.

Their overriding reason for this hike in road tax?

The MPs' report said: "Considering that climate change is probably the greatest long-term challenge facing the human races, this appears a case ultimately of acting neither fast nor far enough."

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article1217378.ece

Add this to the toll road/VAT on petrol/insurance etc etc.

Now the idea might have some merit if their is a viable alternative but there isn't.

Funnily enough the development of pure electric cars (not hybrid) seems to have all but disappeared. There have been cars produced that are very nearly the same as petrol driven cars in terms of range and speed but you can't buy them in Europe.

I wonder if the fact that you can "fill them up" from your house plug socket had any bearing on this? Not a lot of extra tax to had you see.

To quote someone "Solar power will only become widespread when someone finds out how to tax sunlight"...
The tax hike is for the most polluting of cars - not for all cars. Therefore there are alternatives; less polluting cars. If someone is buying a £40,000 car with a petrol V8 then they can afford £1,800 a year in road tax. If on the otherhand you're a "responsible citizen" and buy a small hatchback with a littleish engine then you only pay £80-£110ish, which is nice and cheap. I'm all for it and actually came up with a workable way of taxing up to £5000 a year for those most polluting. On the otherhand I'd like to see the excess revenue going towards grants for less polluting cars and also grants for greener energy sources outside of transport (equiping houses owned by lower social classes with better insulation and solar thermal water heaters - reduces carbon emissions and also reduces fuel bills for those least able to pay).
 
#3
Well lets start with those cabinet ministers who have the top range cars to do their jobs,then we can tax the rear-ends of the Airline companies,then we can tax the big bosses of those companies who actually make the big cars.This is typical New Labour, if all else fails, tax the h*ll out of the people,make them use the railways and public transport which are the most expensive in Europe.Increase the income tax of those earning in excess of £100,000 per annum by 10% I say.
 
#5
On the other hand, if you have a large family or run a small business which requires stock to be transported you're very likely not particularly well off. And a "small hatchback" is of no use to you.
 
#6
crabby said:
Steven said:
Well well. Another way to fill the coffers then.

Their overriding reason for this hike in road tax?

The MPs' report said: "Considering that climate change is probably the greatest long-term challenge facing the human races, this appears a case ultimately of acting neither fast nor far enough."

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article1217378.ece

Add this to the toll road/VAT on petrol/insurance etc etc.

Now the idea might have some merit if their is a viable alternative but there isn't.

Funnily enough the development of pure electric cars (not hybrid) seems to have all but disappeared. There have been cars produced that are very nearly the same as petrol driven cars in terms of range and speed but you can't buy them in Europe.

I wonder if the fact that you can "fill them up" from your house plug socket had any bearing on this? Not a lot of extra tax to had you see.

To quote someone "Solar power will only become widespread when someone finds out how to tax sunlight"...
The tax hike is for the most polluting of cars - not for all cars. Therefore there are alternatives; less polluting cars. If someone is buying a £40,000 car with a petrol V8 then they can afford £1,800 a year in road tax. If on the otherhand you're a "responsible citizen" and buy a small hatchback with a littleish engine then you only pay £80-£110ish, which is nice and cheap. I'm all for it and actually came up with a workable way of taxing up to £5000 a year for those most polluting. On the otherhand I'd like to see the excess revenue going towards grants for less polluting cars and also grants for greener energy sources outside of transport (equiping houses owned by lower social classes with better insulation and solar thermal water heaters - reduces carbon emissions and also reduces fuel bills for those least able to pay).
Have you got anymore words of wisdom? What a load of crap!!
 
#7
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#8
No, just the bit of it that we're causing...

Crabby, it's a nice idea about using the tax to fund research and grants for less polluting alternatives, but it won't happen. The moment the Treasury realise how much they can make from polluters is the moment that anti-pollution measure will get lip service and little else.
 
#9
I fail to see the correlation between road tax and "gas guzzling" cars - surely the more petrol a car drinks, the more tax the owner pays anyway when buying juice for the wagon. More crap from the pinko leftie tree huggers
 
#10
TartanJock said:
Well lets start with those cabinet ministers who have the top range cars to do their jobs,then we can tax the rear-ends of the Airline companies,then we can tax the big bosses of those companies who actually make the big cars.This is typical New Labour, if all else fails, tax the h*ll out of the people,make them use the railways and public transport which are the most expensive in Europe.Increase the income tax of those earning in excess of £100,000 per annum by 10% I say.
So increase the tax bill of someone who already pays more than their fare share of income tax. I wonder if you were in a position to earn this sum, you would still consider it?
 
#11
I read in one of the papers this morning that whilst the top range will be £1800, it also mentions the fact that the tax bands are in £300 increments. Hmmm, that's me getting shafted for driving a 2.0 then......oh and anyone else who drives something bigger than a 1.0.
 
#12
If you live, as I do, in the country and have to have a 4x4 to ensure that you can get around in the winter (the nearest bus stop is over 2 miles away). This might just finish off some rural communities if people keep fixating about 'gas-guzzlers' in cities.

I also fail to see the proportionality in taxing a vehicle with 20 mpg at £1800, but 50 mpg at £100 (my figures). One of the criteria for taxes are proportionality, fairness (and prudence)
 
#13
These Neu Arbeit control freaks will only be happy when we're all driving gray proletarian boxes (with satellite tracking devices fitted of course).

As fuel is already taxed then drivers of bigger engined vehicles are already paying proportionately for their increased consumption anyway FFS.
 
#14
The motorist is, and will continue to be, the easy target for taxation. Increase in road fund duty, toll all major roads and drive this country back 50 years as the people who need vehicles will no longer be able to use them. Of course, we must rely on our succesfull public transport network.
 
#15
The tax system is unfair as it is.Those earning less than £15,000 per annum should not pay INCOME TAX.As usual, the low earners in this country are hammered by the government on their meagre incomes and are expected to pay the same VAT and other stealth taxes that everyone else pays.This government in particular have taxed the hard workers in this country to the hilt.It will only be a matter of time before we are all working just to pay tax.
 
#16
Biscuits_Brown said:
On the other hand, if you have a large family or run a small business which requires stock to be transported you're very likely not particularly well off. And a "small hatchback" is of no use to you.
The problem with their plans are the increments. I think the people with the most ineffecient cars should be hammered. Your ford galaxy doesn't need a 4.4V8 etc etc. All 4X4s and people carriers almost without exception are now available with a diesel engine. I also believe it should be linked to original purchase price. A £20,000 people carrier should attract less tax than a £70,000 porsche. The VED can then be reduced every year of the vehicles life so that you don't have a situation where you have the tax costing more than the car.
I know where I put "the extra revenue going to grants for green energy" etc is pie in the sky, but that's due to the way the current government think. There's nothing to stop them doing that - other than their own money grabbing and disjointed thinking.
Ronnie - rather than just say I'm spouting crap perhaps you'd like to suggest what we should do - or give an opinion?
 
#17
crabby said:
Steven said:
Well well. Another way to fill the coffers then.

Their overriding reason for this hike in road tax?

The MPs' report said: "Considering that climate change is probably the greatest long-term challenge facing the human races, this appears a case ultimately of acting neither fast nor far enough."

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article1217378.ece

Add this to the toll road/VAT on petrol/insurance etc etc.

Now the idea might have some merit if their is a viable alternative but there isn't.

Funnily enough the development of pure electric cars (not hybrid) seems to have all but disappeared. There have been cars produced that are very nearly the same as petrol driven cars in terms of range and speed but you can't buy them in Europe.

I wonder if the fact that you can "fill them up" from your house plug socket had any bearing on this? Not a lot of extra tax to had you see.

To quote someone "Solar power will only become widespread when someone finds out how to tax sunlight"...
The tax hike is for the most polluting of cars - not for all cars. Therefore there are alternatives; less polluting cars. If someone is buying a £40,000 car with a petrol V8 then they can afford £1,800 a year in road tax. If on the otherhand you're a "responsible citizen" and buy a small hatchback with a littleish engine then you only pay £80-£110ish, which is nice and cheap. I'm all for it and actually came up with a workable way of taxing up to £5000 a year for those most polluting. On the otherhand I'd like to see the excess revenue going towards grants for less polluting cars and also grants for greener energy sources outside of transport (equiping houses owned by lower social classes with better insulation and solar thermal water heaters - reduces carbon emissions and also reduces fuel bills for those least able to pay).
If these people were really interested in averting climate change and not just money then we would all be driving electric cars.
There have been any number of pure electric cars produced with comparable performance to conventional cars and if these people really wanted to do something about climate change then they could have removed the VAT on the purchase price/removed the road tax.

This would have made them very easy to sell and production/development would still be going ahead. Instead of that because they were the same price/more expensive than normal cars plus IMO pressure from Government/oil business nearly all R&D has stopped.

The argument about the carbon produced at the generating plant?
Nuclear power has a 0% impact on the climate.
 
#18
Steven said:
crabby said:
Steven said:
Well well. Another way to fill the coffers then.

Their overriding reason for this hike in road tax?

The MPs' report said: "Considering that climate change is probably the greatest long-term challenge facing the human races, this appears a case ultimately of acting neither fast nor far enough."

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article1217378.ece

Add this to the toll road/VAT on petrol/insurance etc etc.

Now the idea might have some merit if their is a viable alternative but there isn't.

Funnily enough the development of pure electric cars (not hybrid) seems to have all but disappeared. There have been cars produced that are very nearly the same as petrol driven cars in terms of range and speed but you can't buy them in Europe.

I wonder if the fact that you can "fill them up" from your house plug socket had any bearing on this? Not a lot of extra tax to had you see.

To quote someone "Solar power will only become widespread when someone finds out how to tax sunlight"...
The tax hike is for the most polluting of cars - not for all cars. Therefore there are alternatives; less polluting cars. If someone is buying a £40,000 car with a petrol V8 then they can afford £1,800 a year in road tax. If on the otherhand you're a "responsible citizen" and buy a small hatchback with a littleish engine then you only pay £80-£110ish, which is nice and cheap. I'm all for it and actually came up with a workable way of taxing up to £5000 a year for those most polluting. On the otherhand I'd like to see the excess revenue going towards grants for less polluting cars and also grants for greener energy sources outside of transport (equiping houses owned by lower social classes with better insulation and solar thermal water heaters - reduces carbon emissions and also reduces fuel bills for those least able to pay).
If these people were really interested in averting climate change and not just money then we would all be driving electric cars.
There have been any number of pure electric cars produced with comparable performance to conventional cars and if these people really wanted to do something about climate change then they could have removed the VAT on the purchase price/removed the road tax.

This would have made them very easy to sell and production/development would still be going ahead. Instead of that because they were the same price/more expensive than normal cars plus IMO pressure from Government/oil business nearly all R&D has stopped.

The argument about the carbon produced at the generating plant?
Nuclear power has a 0% impact on the climate.
Not quite... there is some carbon dioxide produced in the lifecycle of a nuclear powerstation, but it's about 25 times less per unit of electricity than something like gas.
The electric cars aren't comparable to petrol alternatives, the batteries still don't give a range needed and the charging time after you've been driving is high. If they can sort out a battery technology far better than what we have now - and cheaper - than the electric car will take off. At the moment hydrogen is looking the most promising, but again you need electricity to produce hydrogen.
The government does give fuel duty breaks on "cleaner fuels", for example it had reduced duty on low sulphur diesel, it has 20p a litre reduced duty on biofuels and I can't remember the figure for LPG but there are tax breaks on LPG.
Another thing to remember is that while other sectors are reducing their carbon emissions transport is increasing year on year. The share of total emissions is several percent higher than 15 years ago. In the big scheme of things (worldwide), reducing our transport carbon emissions won't make a huge difference, BUT it shows other countries where to go with their emissions - developing a technology for use in other countries etc etc. An example would be sweden's use of bioethonal which has now been introduced here. (case in point - if the UK went to zero carbon emissions overnight then china within 12 months will have made up for the shortfall!!)
At the end of the day this government has ended up taxing more and more those who are working and surviving - not those that are the richest. They are not a true "socialist government", as they are also too protectionist of private industry and will do anything to keep them onside. Something to do with party funding? Basically the government need to get a pair - if they're taxing us this much we want to see returns, a climate change tax HAS to see money going back into preventing global climate change and there should be no different rules for ministers and the public
 
#19
I disagree. I get my redundancy next year and i want a nice gas guzzler cos i can and i deserve it. Why should i be taxed on it? Aircraft pollute much more than a car as does industry. With fuel at 99.9p a lite we should not get any extra taxes. Necky feckers if u ask me.
 
#20
crabby said:
Ronnie - rather than just say I'm spouting crap perhaps you'd like to suggest what we should do - or give an opinion?
Ronnie allow me , Crabby your full of crap. When you have some money to buy a 4X4 and leave the safety of your parents house and have to earn a living then I may listen to you, I live in the country have several gas guzzlers. Just like many others when my overheads are increased I raise my cost to the consumer, so its a lose lose situation all around. You tree hugging, vegan do gooders driving elastic band powered roller skates pay as well with the higher cost of goods and services.

Its another easy stealth tax aimed at the middle /upper working class who will pay as usual, Now get back to your broadsheets and find us some more good news.

Ps Nice car Craaby...matches the scarf

 

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