Gang Boss Shot Dead: Real IRA Member Held

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#2
They are all criminals, no amount of acronyms will change that.
 
#6
How many initials /acronyms are there? surely the dogs on the streets know they're the same pack of scoundrels(can't swear in c/a thread) no matter what they call themselves.
 
#7
"It is understood that Kelly had been under covert Garda surveillance for some time"

Really ?? but obviously not at 1600 hours yesterday..or was he?
 
#8
"It is understood that Kelly had been under covert Garda surveillance for some time"

Really ?? but obviously not at 1600 hours yesterday..or was he?


Good afternoon to ya Guard, sure you look perished so you do, why not take this €10,000 and go buy yourself and your colleague there a nice cup of coffee. ;P
 
#9
In a Garda follow-up operation detectives arrested a man nearby who they believe is heavily involved in dissident republican activity.


They couldn't have been that far away.....
 
#13
I'm going to copy write all the names I can think of that go with Republican army. If they use any I will sue. That'll fix em!
 
#15
PIRA were 'the IRA' of the 1970s/80s/early 90s (along with 'Official IRA' that died a death in the early 1970s I think).

Once the peace process started and the mainstream agreed to give up the armed struggle splinter groups started appearing (Real IRA, Continuity IRA etc) made up of the hardliners who didn't want to give up the fight.

Although, of course, for the majority of them it's the drug dealing, pimping and having the chance to show how hard you are by maiming the occasional 15 year old rather than actually taking on the British state that attracts them.
 
#16
Plus a few pints of guinness and "ireland will never be be at rest if not free" bollocks starts up.
How many people do you need to lob the odd pipe bomb:)
 

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"It is understood that Kelly had been under covert Garda surveillance for some time"

Really ?? but obviously not at 1600 hours yesterday..or was he?
The thing about covert obs is that you're always a bit away (otherwise you won't be covert), if the Gards had an inkling that it was all about to kick off and leapt from the obs veh. he'd still have been dead.
 
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The thing about covert obs is that you're always a bit away (otherwise you won't be covert), if the Gards had an inkling that it was all about to kick off and leapt from the obs veh. he'd still have been dead.
And a Garda may have died as well!

However one rat killing another rat - does civilisation lose?

Letting them wipe out one another may not be acceptable to the jurists, the purists, and the sanctimonious. But I say leave them to it. They will find a way.

Remember the feuds of 1971/72 among various Republican groups, PIRA, OIRA, INLA, IPLO, and a few more obscure "alphabet
soup" organisations in their internecine "war" where they eliminated almost a battalion of of their own "freedom fighters" between them!

(Nothing original in that of course - it was a strategy finely honed in Ireland of the 1920's and thirties).

Unfortunately innocent people will (literally) be caught in the cross-fire. It was ever so.
 
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So, what's the actual difference between pira/rira/new ira? What's wrong with calling them the dirty paddy terrorists?
there are at least 2 RIRA's now and 2 CIRA's - RIRA were PIRA people who were not opposed to a deal, but didn't think that the GFA delivered enough to justify an end to the PIRA campaign. CIRA were PIRA people who left PIRA/PSF in 1986 over arcane republican ideology, but were opposed to the concept of a deal, regardless of what it delivered. purity of violence/struggle nutjobs - they also believe they are the legitimate government of Ireland because a TD from the last Dail they recognise told them they were...

both groups have suffered split after split, been ravaged by informers, and to some extent been used by criminal gangs as cover for the normal drug dealing, extortion etc...

both organisations, or franchises at this stage, are barely recognisable from their origins now: there have been numerous atempts to unite under a single IRA banner, but they generally fall apart for personal as much as poliical reasons.

the RIRA groups are generally more effective - they contain a higher number of 'serious' people from PIRA and those too young to have been PIRA, politically they are more sophisticated (though thats not saying much), though they do suffer similar levels of village napoleons using their RIRA membership as cover/intimidation for aquisitive criminality.

CIRA have a reputation as being more overtly criminal, as they don't have the people/arms to mount a serious, sustained threat to UK forces, so they let off steam by indulging in drug dealing and protection rackets instead.
 

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