G8 Rumour Mill

#1
Whilst driving "Oop North" I decided to have a wee gander at the collossal amounts of HERAS fencing (arranged in the braced format and visible from the dual carriageway) surrounding Gleneagles.

This combined with rumours of Bush parking one of his Imperial Battlecruisers loaded with gung-ho hill billies off the West Coast and his gargantuan flock of hurculean transport aircraft swarming at Prestwick... methinks something is going to go royally wrong especially now Bob Geldof's involved....

STAND BY....

(I'll post updates as I'll be in the area for a few weeks yet!)
 
#3
...I have heard bad things from the boys in blue...

...Politicians and senior cops putting their heads in the sand and pretending it will be all right.

...Inter-force p1ssing contests and an unwillingness to co-operate.

...An unbearable level of overstretch with the prospect of resignations and stress and injuries causing significant post-G8 personnel shortages.

...Inadequate riot training.

You can walk all over Gleneagles and those fences wouldn't stop a determined granny - the railings surrounding Buck House didn't! It is possible that things might kick off in Edinburgh and elsewhere, with the usual suspects attacking the usual sort of targets - McDonalds, the Scottish Parliament etc. None of these buildings is worth getting coppers injured over.
 
#4
abacus said:
And apparently 3,000 police officers to surround Prestwick Airport. Is that cheaper than HERAS fencing?
Not the 2000 US Marines we were promised by the "SCUM/DAILY LIAR" last week then?
 
#5
MrPVRd said:
...I have heard bad things from the boys in blue...

...Inadequate riot training.
Riot training itself was reportedly very good indeed, for Jockplod anyway.

Only complaint was the new flame-retardent underwear they were issued on day 1 of the course. Apparently these were only a course issue and were taken back in at the end for laundering and re-issue to the next course and the one after that.

By course three I bet it wasn't only flames it had been tested with!!!!!!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
#6
galgenberg said:
abacus said:
And apparently 3,000 police officers to surround Prestwick Airport. Is that cheaper than HERAS fencing?
Not the 2000 US Marines we were promised by the "SCUM/DAILY LIAR" last week then?
There won't be enough septics to go around for all the hopeful "Ershur wummin" in pursuit of some "foreign" - Sights not seen at Prestwick since Elvis landed (He was in uniform then as well). Glad I'm on duty elsewhere. :lol:
 
#7
Riot training itself was reportedly very good indeed, for Jockplod anyway.
I heard that the riot training received - whilst good in terms of quality - was no more than the mandatory annual requirement, which most officers don't have the time or resources to undertake in non-G8 years.
 
#8
MrPVRd said:
Riot training itself was reportedly very good indeed, for Jockplod anyway.
I heard that the riot training received - whilst good in terms of quality - was no more than the mandatory annual requirement, which most officers don't have the time or resources to undertake in non-G8 years.
Bit like just about any pre-Op Tour-deployment training then?
 
#10
MrPVRd said:
You can walk all over Gleneagles and those fences wouldn't stop a determined granny - the railings surrounding Buck House didn't!
The HERAS fencing might not stop them but it may slow them down as it seems to be arranged in two rows with further units diagonally bracing the two continuously in between... a HERAS corrugated cardboard type arrangement. Plus there's roll out roadway supposedly for some sort of patrol vehicle / golf cart arrangment.

My oh my the people in Auchterarder and surrounding areas aren't happy! I spoke to one hotellier yesterday and he said he's been supplying the police / council with names and addresses of any lefty type that has tried to make an accomodation booking.

On the subject of the lefties I love the way that they're marketing the event not only as a weekend but a whole week of subversion. They think that people should spend an entire week protesting both at the G8 but also Dungavel, Coulport, Faslane et al.

Shell have recieved direct threats for during the same time so that's the Chaos stretching from Prestwick (due to Bush's cavalcade) to Aberdeen (Shell UK Headquarters amongst other multinational petroleum companies).

Tony what the hell were you thinking inviting a multinational threat magnet to a relatively sleepy hollow?
 
#11
abacus said:
galgenberg said:
abacus said:
And apparently 3,000 police officers to surround Prestwick Airport. Is that cheaper than HERAS fencing?
Not the 2000 US Marines we were promised by the "SCUM/DAILY LIAR" last week then?
There won't be enough septics to go around for all the hopeful "Ershur wummin" in pursuit of some "foreign" - Sights not seen at Prestwick since Elvis landed (He was in uniform then as well). Glad I'm on duty elsewhere. :lol:
Shall I phone the papers about whether ELVIS is chairing the G8 summit or taking the star turn at the LIVE 8 concert.It's about as good as the quality of news gets regarding this event
 
#12
Of course the sensible thing would be to stick it on some island of the coast and suround the whole event with the Royal Navy...

Ah. Bugger.

Here's hopping the US Secret Service will have their mini-gun wagon along with them...
 
#13
I find it all very amusing.

Lets protest about the G8 and their money-grabbing ways.

We'll do it by assembling the biggest crowd we possibly can from all over the world, we'll fly, sail and bus them in....

And of course we'll have a big party while we're there....

And "they" will have to mount a MASSIVE security operation to stop us. With Lorries, tanks, helicopters and fighter jets!

Who, do you reckon is laughing?

People with a vested interest in the POL inductry perhaps, with all those "travellers", or maybe those who own large alcohol and tobacco concerns... Need 'em both for a good knees up.

I reckon they'll be toasting the protesters insside Gleneagles.
 
#14
A girlfriend of mine is a GIS specialist working in Aberdeen for a large petrochemical concern . They have received briefings to expect drama. :(
 
#15
To the south, the Forth estuary is lined with petrochemical works on both north and south banks. What fun the anarchists could have! 8O

And there's a nuclear power plant some 40 minutes drive from Edinburgh!
 
#16
MrPVRd said:
To the south, the Forth estuary is lined with petrochemical works on both north and south banks. What fun the anarchists could have! 8O

And there's a nuclear power plant some 40 minutes drive from Edinburgh!
Hah. I work in Edinburgh, next to a caravan site, for an American company. Oh, I'm so looking forward to it. Not. I've already suggested that we send the brass nameplate (which says "blah Corporation") off for "polishing" that week...... on the basis that while the real activists may be bright lads, there will be plenty of thick-as-feck ones around.

I don't think that Comrade Bob and Brother Sting quite realise how small Edinburgh is; and that when they say "but hundreds of thousands turn up for the festival, and that's OK" that they don't realise how saturated the city is when it happens...... they're talking about more than doubling the population, FFS. Deep joy, and I think we'll be stocking up on the shopping early.

Mrs.G works for a large multinational; whenever there's a big demo on, the London office get told that they must not wear suits, except if they're visiting clients, and then not to come in to the office; and not to carry their laptops around.
 
#17
i live between glasgow and prestwick and am very definately not looking forward to this circus. i did fancy going to edinburgh to shout and wave and then climb back into my MPV and drive home, but given the forecast road/rail disruption i don't think i'll bother...

i had heard that along with the helicopter carrier, the storm troopers and the ray-ban/armani display team, the cousins wanted to 'secure' high ground near prestwick to prevent any possible shoulder-launched SAM attack on the president. my concern is that in order to allow firstly the presidential jumbo to land and then the presidential helo to take-off and get to a safe altitude that most of south-west scotland would have to be 'occupied' as much of the terrain along any potential flightpath is rugged, high and with plenty of cover.

anybody feel they'll just divert to lossiemouth/kinloss and go from there? it would be much more secure - and it would put off the soap-dodgers...
 
#18
cokecan said:
anybody feel they'll just divert to lossiemouth/kinloss and go from there? it would be much more secure - and it would put off the soap-dodgers...
Fair plan apart from I'm sure Bush and his cronies wouln't be too impressed lading next to the "Findhorn Foundation" hippie commune at one end of the Kinloss runway. Plus securing the route between either base and Auchermuchty would snare up too much traffic on the A96.

The soap-dodging anarchist types would travel anywhere... an extra hundred miles is about as much use as a deterrent as the HERAS fencing around Gleneagles.

CC
 
#19
I have mixed feelings about the whole thing. The main problem that we're going to see here is the usual mix of 95% peaceful, reasonable protesters (and a few music fans along for the ride, who care about, like stuff, bad, happening, man, like, in the world) with 5% ripped combat wearing, special-drinking rent-a-mob arrse-holes who just want to kick coppers in the mush and throw stones. And, like in Seattle, like in Genoa, like everywhere else, they'll just kick something off, leaving thousands to get tear-gassed and batoned and generally removing the possibility of any meaningful debate or successful protest. *******.

Of course, the problem always is, how do you tell peaceful protester from rent-a-mob twats spoiling for a fight?

But Gleneagles is a spectactularly bad choice all round. And you can just bet it's so they can have a round of golf and bugger the populace.
 
#20
From the G8 Website ( click here.... ) >>>

Protesters

What information do you have about the numbers of people that will come to protest?

At this stage it would be foolish to speculate regarding the numbers of any protesters and their intentions. There are many significant events that will take place prior to the Summit, which may colour the agenda of any protest. Tayside Police has planned a major security operation to ensure that those who come to protest lawfully will be facilitated but those who do otherwise will be dealt with appropriately. It’s hoped that recognised protest groups will take the opportunity to work with the police to this end.

What is the lawful position regarding protest in Scotland?

Under the law, all public processions in Scotland must apply to the local authority for the area and receive approval. Any local authorities receiving such an application must consult the chief constable for the area. Under the Public Order Act 1986, it is an offence for anyone taking part in a demonstration not to comply with any conditions imposed by the police. Any processions and demonstrations which take place will be policed appropriately. Anyone who breaks the law, whether on a public procession or a demonstration, will be dealt with appropriately.

What happens if I am suspicious of someone?

Lots of new faces are going to appear in the Auchterarder area in the run-up to and during the summit, for example police officers, journalists and council employees. Members of the public often report suspicious incidents to the police and they should continue to do this. Extra vigilance by the public will help the security operation.

There are lots of reports on the internet and in newspapers about protestors planning to take confrontational action - is this likely to happen?

Due to the nature of the Internet, the police urge anyone looking at such websites to remember that it is very difficult to assess the veracity of the content and to be aware that claims made on-line don't necessarily translate into action. Likewise, there has been and will continue to be speculation in the media about the possibility of violence and confrontation. The police deal with facts and are putting a lot of effort into establishing the true nature and scale of any protests likely to take place during the Summit.

Transport


Will local residents have to allow extra travelling time to go to work and back etc?

The police will do everything possible to help people travel through the Auchterarder area with the minimum of delay. It would be wise to consider personal travel circumstances in conjunction with the traffic management plan when the details become available.

Are there any plans to close the A9?

There are no plans to close the A9. For more information about road closures at the time of the Summit, please see the joint press release by Tayside Police and Perth and Kinross Council.


Other Issues

What are the arrangements for a cleanup afterwards (if it is required)?


A team is already working on assessing what services will be required and how they can be most effectively delivered to ensure that the community returns to everyday life as quickly as possible after the summit.
 
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