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Bit of a left-field question - Withams I hear have some '439's for sale - can anyone tell me what type / make of generator they're fitted with ?

The vehicles are pretty much complete in excellent condition !
exbleep said:
AFV 439 at the museum? Sob! What next? Bruin?
Walked in recently and saw not only Bruin Bid 200's (Ahhh... the happy days at 22 Sigs pre Ptarmigan) but a set up Bid 610's... Loved chatting to the WAFS doing crypto changes from Belize... Who needs the interweb when you've got lovely ladies in blue on a dedicated line!
***Slaps self....*** Just goes to show how lonely Belize got if you didn't go round tha back at Raul's Rose Garden!

Not sure if they were fitted with Onan 3.5KVa's - on the SAS/MC they were fairly modern units (for 1985) IIRC, but the Radio Relay wagons were probably fitted with Onans.
As for the Wavell buses, goodness knows - big buggers I'd guess!


The 439 for sale on withams web site are SAS/MCs. They have a 3KW gene supplying 28v DC. Some of the newer Relays also have the same gene configuration as the SAS only supplying 28v instead of the 3 1/2 KVAs. Talk about taking fcuking liberties!!
Knew it was something different - I had a fire on a SAS/MC once - Ex Reforger 96 or 97 - some one had decided that a piece of oil soaked canvas would be a good idea to cover up the fuel storage bins on top (it wasn't always oil/diesel soaked of course), one back fire later on the gene, and one of the RR crew kindly popped his head in to tell me the wagon was on fire! Popped the fire extinguisers manually, no joy (the fire wasn't in the gene housing), so had to go out and do the biz with a BCF.

Luckily, I wasn't the det cdr (I was di**ed to go on the det for the duration of the ex), so didn't have to write all the reports!
polar69 said:
Onan 3.5's at a guess, I'm sure thats what the one outside the museum has
Somebody feel free to drag that sorry piece of crap away! Bloody disgrace.... outrage, outrage, moan, moan! In fairness, it's not too much the fault of the museum. The bloody thing is not on "the list" so the REME won't touch it (with a view to moving it), so it can't be towed away for respray. H&S dictates that no "civvy" is allowed to paint it where it is in case they accidentally drink the IR black etc etc. Catch 22!

....and breathe! 8O
Dygbi said:
It has been dragged away and is now being used as a 'Gate Guardian' at Stafford isn't it?
Being used as a gate guardian for that well known armoured Regt!!! 22 Sigs....I think a wheelie relay would be far more suitable!
timebandit said:
Being used as a gate guardian for that well known armoured Regt!!! 22 Sigs....I think a wheelie relay would be far more suitable!
As a holder of an 'H' licence I can verify that BRUIN 439's were fitted with twin 3.5kva Onans behind the commanders hatch which made them too lopsided for swimming so the flotation screens and plate were removed, also way back in the mists of time (72 - 75) there was an armoured troop at 22 Sigs which IIRC provided comms for a boxhead armoured brigade.
Slightly off topic I know, but does anyone know why the track guards were removed from all FV43x's (be they Radio Relay, SAS/MC, ASV or whatever) after the introduction of Ptarmigan? Never made sense to me - the weight saving must have been minimal, and all that happened was, if a track pad did come off, then it was free to hurl itself sideways as well as out either the front or back.
On the first vehicle to be modded at 1ADSR in 1985, on its road test by the REME, it was followed into the camp by an irate civvy who was the unexpected recipient of a pad through his side window - red faces all round!

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