Future upgrade to sidearms?

#1
If you could choose an ideal military sidearm (handgun), what would it be and why; also, if you could would you change the curent handgun calibre or stick it out with our trusty 9mm ?

Anyone in the know who could enlighten me as to average effects/damage any given bullet in any given calibre could do to the human body ? I.e. differences between X vs Y etc? I really need some ammunition to shut up a bunch of yankee waltenkommandos in my local and their constant "my calibre is better than yours" debates. It's starting to really get on ma tits !
 
#4
saw about 150+ rounds go through the USP in succesion without one stoppage, ideal range conditions mind but still.
 
#5
Sorry...you can get the pistol in different calibres..i used the 9mm. Although .40 is gaining popularity at the moment, depending what your trying to hit!
 
#6
Another excellent H&K weapon, although not pistol, is the G36....laser and optic sight, a lot easier to handle than SA80 and may seem strange..a lot less noisy, although thats probably down to ammo more than anything else.
Nothing better than driving in the back of a G-Wagon, hanging out of it firing at targets less than 10m away....bit different from the usual "watch and shoot...watch and shoot"!!
 
#7
i know it'll sound walt-ish, but i'd love the FN Five-seveN.
it is cumbersome, and would probably cause hell for infantry-types what with having a similar looking round to the SA80, but it make up for that in capabilities, not least of all it's armour-defeating abilities.

not a chance of it happening tho. shame.
 
#8
Roger, the G36 is a dream to shoot, C5 did you find it had about as much recoil as a wet fart? So easy to shoot with, I must say I wasnt a fan of the HK33 or HK53 though.
 
#9
Yes...your right about the recoil, the guys who owned the G36's used our SA80's and they thought they were the bees-knees (!). But we all agreed on the laser sight. Takes some getting used to keep both eyes open to aim but it works. Uses the same sort of bolt as the SA80 as well.
 
#10
Side arm ? All you need is a pick axe handle. Thats what done me for "several" years guarding our most sensative military instalations. Honest Guv !!!!!

Regards LT.
 
#11
my 2p not that you care would either be the FN Five-seveN especially if i was using a P90 as my personal weapon (they use the same rounds), other than that a Sig .375 calibre, a good mix of stopping power and penetration.

(by the way these are just from a quick read around as i have never used a handgun)
 
#13
Webley MkVI in .455...... when you've felled the first six, you've still got enough metal in your hand to biff any others....
 
#14
Manchester_Rogue said:
If you could choose an ideal military sidearm (handgun), what would it be and why; also, if you could would you change the current handgun calibre or stick it out with our trusty 9mm ?
The SIG P229 would be a good choice as the weapon is warranted to 20,000 rounds, as well as being made of metal. Although plastic framed stuff like the Glock and the USP do work well, I would worry about my fingers in the unlikely event of a catastrophic case failure, e.g. Glock Kaboom FAQ

Military weapons should have better penetration than those used by police, as an enemy soldier might be wearing thick webbing containing magazines, or indeed have military body armour. Although 9mm isn't bad in this regard, none of the usual pistol calibres will defeat body armour, even the 0.45 ACP used by your yankee waltenkommandos.

One option might be the new Russian pistol round. Although this is based on the 9x19mm, it has a new high pressure loading with a steel core AP bullet, designed to punch right through Russian titanium faced body armour. A SIG P229 chambered for this round might be a good choice.

As others have mentioned, the Five-SeveN pistol in 5.7mm calibre and H&K the P46 in 4.6mm might also be worthy of consideration, even if the frames are made of plastic. These rounds are also designed to penetrate Russian titanium faced body armour and then the bullet inverts, leaving a big hole in the squishy bits. The pistols are also about a quarter of a kilo lighter than the GP and hold 20 rounds. That’s probably an important consideration for an infantryman, where every gram of weight saved is very welcome.

Anyone in the know who could enlighten me as to average effects/damage any given bullet in any given calibre could do to the human body ? I.e. differences between X vs Y etc? I really need some ammunition to shut up a bunch of yankee waltenkommandos in my local and their constant "my calibre is better than yours" debates. It's starting to really get on ma tits !
Have a look here.
 
#15
The box of truth!

interesting for weapons effects and for wishing i too had a range in the back garden like his
 
#16
I would keep the FN Browning 9mm, maybe just upgrade the ammo if need be, maybe to Black Tallons! :twisted:

Iv used Glock and to be honest would not reccomend it for military use, now the Jericho, no thats a beautiful hand gun, fits nice in the hand, smooth to operate, so I would put the Jericho as next to the FN for use with the British Army, but for those that dont know this is the current Israeli IDF issue side arm!

Not sure about the M9 (Beretta) the good old yankee side arm, rumour has it that they are thinking of upgrading too!
 
#17
4(T) said:
Webley MkVI in .455...... when you've felled the first six, you've still got enough metal in your hand to biff any others....

now that sir is a quote!!

the old 9mm Vs .45 debate, boring, boils down to do you want lots of small ones, or less big ones.

like anything else in the firearms world, the only immportant part of any weapon is the nutt behind the butt.


personaly i have a tanfoglio 9mm and a para ord .45

both are getting ditched for a .40 when i get back to NZ.
 
#18
Last I checked, the yanks are thinking about their "Joint Service Pistol" (I think it's called that), which is probably going to be a DA/SA and/or DAO handgun in .45 ACP calibre.

As for the GLOCK, I have always thought it's a good "no brainer" gun to use: "pull trigger, gat goes bang. teehehehehe !". Aren't we phasing out older Browning HPs in service in favour of the Sig p226?

Black Talons? They're hollowpoint innit? I don't think we're allowed to use hollowpoints in the military ! ;) Plus, the original GP35 doesn't like hollowpoints due to the humped feeding ramp. The MKIII BHP seems to be fine with this, though.

I love the Browning, but I would prefer a GLOCK or Walther P99 (James Bond can't be wrong now, can he ?!). The Beretta feels chunky and the safety is odd to operate (I hear most spams don't actually have the gun on "safe" mode when in the holster, they only flick it to "safe" pos then back to "fire" pos to decock the hammer when holstering). I am personally not a fan of two trigger pulls, hence why I like the GLOCK/Walther.

Any more thoughts on the H&K USP handgun?
 
#19
Yea Black tallons are Hollow point and steel too, god damn evil tihngs......and yes against Geneva convention!

the Glock has no safty, it is point and pull..lol

when you say "two trigger pull" am I right in thinking you mean single action?
 
#20
i'm sure he means 'double action' trigger types.
 

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