Future of Surplus weapons

#1
We've all enjoyed the masses of bolt action rifles that were made in the 19th - 20th century for mass armies and then sold on the cheap but what is the future with all forces using assault rifles?

We cant have semi automatics so is conversion to .22LR or straight pull the only viable option? (asides from buggering off the the USA etc)
 
#2
L98A1 Cadet GPs.

Accurate, but needs work to make a good PR rifle. Muzzle brake/flash hider, picatinny rail, decent low power optic, smooth out the trigger (not easy for a bullpup?) and perhaps a short swivel bipod.

But in these PC times, they will likely be chopped in half and melted down. Or sold to a third world country. Like Belgium.
 
#3
Jubbles said:
We've all enjoyed the masses of bolt action rifles that were made in the 19th - 20th century for mass armies and then sold on the cheap but what is the future with all forces using assault rifles?

We cant have semi automatics so is conversion to .22LR or straight pull the only viable option? (asides from buggering off the the USA etc)
Converted S5 firearms remain S5. That's why all the manually operated ARs are made from scratch and not converted.
 
#6
Jubbles said:
so no chance whatsoever of masses of straight pull SA80's coming on the market in a few years time ?
Nope. With any luck they'll be in the hands of AIDS ridden children on some shitty dark continent within 20 years.
 
#7
Jubbles said:
so no chance whatsoever of masses of straight pull SA80's coming on the market in a few years time ?
There is not a chance that the Cadet GP Rifle will see the light of day. The Government of the day (of whatever persuasion) will be fed the line: "What would happen if a terrorist got hold of one?" (Neatly ignoring that said terrorist can buy a perfectly good Kalashnikov for fifty dollars - tops.), and that will be the end of them. They can't be exported either (EU) so they will be scrapped at great cost and everyone will sleep safer in their beds.
 
#8
Rumour has it that the L98's have already been pre-sold en masse to a single continental dealer.

expect many to grow gas systems and start floating around the European market.

Even though they are pants, I would be seriously tempted by a gassed-up example, for nostalgia's sake.
 
#9
walt_of_the_walts said:
L98A1 Cadet GPs.

Accurate, but needs work to make a good PR rifle. Muzzle brake/flash hider, picatinny rail, decent low power optic, smooth out the trigger (not easy for a bullpup?) and perhaps a short swivel bipod.

But in these PC times, they will likely be chopped in half and melted down. Or sold to a third world country. Like Belgium.
Do you know what? I'm not sure we can teach the Belgiques much about small arms manufacturing....

http://www.fnherstal.com/
 
#10
stoatman said:
Even though they are pants,
In what respect? I shot one very early on when a friend's ACF unit was first issued them. I found it to be both easy to use and accurate.

Given the opportunity, I'd buy one.
 
#11
The UK's policy seems to be to destroy most surplus small arms:

See: Hansard - 22 June 2000

Mr. Streeter: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what policy has been adopted with regard to the sale of self-reloading rifles no longer required by the British Army. [126461]

Mr. Hoon [holding answer 19 June 2000]: Our policy is that small arms (other than automatic weapons which are routinely destroyed) which are declared surplus by the Ministry of Defence area available only to Governments, including acceptable military, paramilitary and police organisations (either directly or through duly licensed entities authorised to procure weapons on their behalf), to meet their legitimate defence and security requirements. All such transfers are assessed on a case by case basis against the UK national export licence assessment criteria and the EU Code of Conduct on Arms Exports.

In practice, few inquiries are received for the purchase of surplus small arms and the reality is that most are destroyed.
Whilst I can see that this is fair enough for automatic arms, I cringe at the thought of all those beautiful No4 Lee Enfields being chopped up, including probably rare trials and 4(T) variants. As for the future, there will probably be the L98s as well as 0.22" No8 Cadet Rifles and L96A1 sniper rifles to dispose of. The No 8s are probably of historic collectors' value and the L96 would probably be as good as new when fitted with a new barrel. I know that Biped was going to put a marker down with the MOD's Disposal Sales Agency for the latter. If he suceeeds, I want one!

I believe that the MOD's policy is all to do with not encouraging the international proliferation of small arms. IIRC there was a bit of a scandal some years ago when surplus SLRs were sold for scrap metal and subsequently turned up for sale on the US civilian market!
 
#12
Gun_Nut said:
I believe that the MOD's policy is all to do with not encouraging the international proliferation of small arms. IIRC there was a bit of a scandal some years ago when surplus SLRs were sold for scrap metal and subsequently turned up for sale on the US civilian market!
Sorry to doubt you, but if that were the case it would only be uppers turning up in the US, since ATF considers the lowers to be machine guns.

Plus, there's the whole issue of 922R compliance...
 
#13
According to someone at the SASC, the vast majority of SLRs were flogged to African Nations for the princely sum of 18 pence (Yes 18p) each!

Enough to make you cry!
:(
 
#14
stoatman said:
Gun_Nut said:
I believe that the MOD's policy is all to do with not encouraging the international proliferation of small arms. IIRC there was a bit of a scandal some years ago when surplus SLRs were sold for scrap metal and subsequently turned up for sale on the US civilian market!
Sorry to doubt you, but if that were the case it would only be uppers turning up in the US, since ATF considers the lowers to be machine guns.

Plus, there's the whole issue of 922R compliance...
You're right. What happened is that they were stripped down into 'parts kits' for onward sale. I'm no expert on the 922R rules, but I understand that the US shooters need a locally made receiver, plus a number of US made parts in order to turn this back into a functioning rifle.

However, there's little doubt that these are the bits from an old British rifle!

 
#17
to be honest the rest of the human race is slightly concerned your carers let you have net access.
But I guess they don't let you pencils you could hurt yourself or somebody else
 
#19
It seems there are some VERY well informed individuals on here.
It is possible for myself, as a private individual, to purchase surplus firearms?
(assuming that I have a valid FFL that they can be shipped to?

Can "surplus" 7.62mm x 51 NATO ammunition be bought in such a manner?
Namely 1990's manufactured ROF stuff.
I know both 450 round cans and 750 round battle packs of Bandolier ammo HAS been made available and am keen to cut out the middle men in this country, who "need to keep the lights on" at my expense.
(Yes I will buy the ammo by the pallet!)
 
#20
IndianaDel said:
It seems there are some VERY well informed individuals on here.
It is possible for myself, as a private individual, to purchase surplus firearms?
(assuming that I have a valid FFL that they can be shipped to?

Can "surplus" 7.62mm x 51 NATO ammunition be bought in such a manner?
Namely 1990's manufactured ROF stuff.
I know both 450 round cans and 750 round battle packs of Bandolier ammo HAS been made available and am keen to cut out the middle men in this country, who "need to keep the lights on" at my expense.
(Yes I will buy the ammo by the pallet!)
There are plenty of surplus firearms available in UK - mostly Lee Enfields, Mosins, Mausers. All bolt-action only, unless you go to a very specialist dealer (semi- and autos are generally banned, along with pistols). Unfortunately the cost & paperwork involved in shipping a firearm makes it not very cost effective - most surplus weapons are at least twice the price in UK as they are in USA anyway. If there is something you have to have, then its best to speak to one of the US dealers who have existing trading links back to UK - eg Brian Dick.

Not sure about ammo. Its very expensive in UK anyway, and I'm sure it would be wildly uneconomic to ship to US. Currently there are NO large bulk supplies of surplus 7.62mm NATO ball around, and probably will not be again.
 

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