Future of Army Chefs?

#1
Why do we have military chefs? if the contractors are doing all the cooking in the in barracks why do we need the military chef? can we not just use the TA Chefs who are just deployed as and when we need them on operations

Let me know your views?
 
#2
I fear you mis-understand the role of the reservist.

msr
 
#3
At the present even with both regular and TA chefs (Including the RAF) there are shortages of chefs on tours.
Recently deployed with the RAF and should have had 3 chefs ended up with 2 Army chefs due to lack of personnel.
It takes longer to ready TA chefs for deployment (spearhead or what ever it is called now etc).
Regular chefs can be readied with the units they are posted to (just in case) where as TA ones would need to have notices to employers, pre-deployment training issue of special to theater kit etc and may not get used (at least the regular chefs would still be working in their units)
When a unit deploys its chefs usually go with it leaving the civilians to look after the sick, lame, lazy etc. With no Reg chefs there would be too many civs for the unit, do they get the boot till the unit gets back?
With the civilianisation of the cookhouses the standard of food has gone down (Reg chefs - your food charge pays for food, Civ chef - your food charge pays for food, wages and profits for company)
 
#5
No probs been a bug bear of mine for last 5 years
 
#6
eggmeister said:
if the contractors are doing all the cooking in the in barracks why do we need the military chef?
Don't know what unit you are currently at, but the contractors do not do all of the cooking in the PAYD system. Military chefs continue to do their allocated role in barracks, but with less freedom (hence the reason for a very limited choice now on the core hotplate, where before you had baguette bars, salad bars, 6-8 choices on the hotplate) due to the obligation to the contract. Whether this be NAAFI, ESS, Sodexho etc.

Also, you need the military chef, because Civvies cannot be fucked about like military chefs can :D
 
#7
I heard that their higher band pay was getting binned now that things have changed to the way they are now.
 
#8
dingerr said:
I heard that their higher band pay was getting binned now that things have changed to the way they are now.
Now look see hear hear is the dingerr hanging around the chefs in a cookehouse thread I wonder whys? I knows why. It's cos he is a fatty.
 
#9
Leccy said:
(Reg chefs - your food charge pays for food, Civ chef - your food charge pays for food, wages and profits for company)[/quote]

There is some clarification needed here. Where there is a contractor involved in food production within a Unit your food charge (DMR) pays for your food. The Authority pays for all the rest through the Service Provision Payment. This the same for PAYD, the contractor is not allowed to make a profit from the cost of the core meal through cheap food costs.
 
#10
OK well thanks for all your replys its obviously a hot topic.

I dont disagree with any of your comments and welcome the debate!

Firstly i see no chage to operatinal feeding eventhough we have started to contract some of these sites out.

the main area i am looking for your honest views is with the onset of PAYD and CRL there is not really a place for the military chef and as a tax payer you ndont need a CPL in the HUB making paninis or burgers.

so if we need military chefs to do operations! what do we do with them when not on ops.

I do understand the Role of the TA and they plkay and active role in the chef augmentee TA chefs have allways been one army concept as far as the chef trade is concered. i am just suggesting that it may be we invest in the TA chefs s these can be used as and when and are not eployed on the in barracks feeding.

i am hearing that in barracks the role of the seniors and master chefs have go to just a monitering core meals and the core meal uptake has droped as the reatils offers get better.

i am a chef so i want some arguments to work with or do we just hand it all over to contractors? if its about cost u know the way the budgets work!

your views please.
 
#11
Sack the civvies, get more military chefs,reservists etc. and bin PAYD.
 
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Biscuits_AB

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#12
chocolate_frog said:
Sack the civvies, get more military chefs,reservists etc. and bin PAYD.
Why? Squaddies have been whining about the standard of Army chefs for years and how many of you out there were screaming for PAYD as you didn't think that you were getting value for money under the old system?

Well, now you've got it. Should have shut the f*ck up, shouldn't you?
 
#13
Biscuits_AB said:
chocolate_frog said:
Sack the civvies, get more military chefs,reservists etc. and bin PAYD.
Why? Squaddies have been whining about the standard of Army chefs for years and how many of you out there were screaming for PAYD as you didn't think that you were getting value for money under the old system?

Well, now you've got it. Should have shut the f*ck up, shouldn't you?
Bloody 'ell Biccies, are you saying that the British Squaddie should stop moaning?
 

CplFoodspoiler

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#14
Having served as a Regular and TA as well as a later incarnation as a civvie chef MOD with the RAF ( yeah I know, but I needed the job). I think I have a good experience base to call upon.
The comment that civvies cant be f~~~~~ed about like the regs is partly true - however, my recent experience with the RAF begs a different reply. There were so many RAF cooks on deployment, training, leave whatever that, if it were not for the civvie MOD chefs being willing to fill all the crap duty slots there would have been a significant problem. Overtime pay earned a whopping 5% or, to simplify - coz some might need it- 20p for every pound earned!
'Use it or loose it' is the oft heard refrain.
Remember the motto!
We Sustain
 
#15
CplFoodspoiler said:
Having served as a Regular and TA as well as a later incarnation as a civvie chef MOD with the RAF ( yeah I know, but I needed the job). I think I have a good experience base to call upon.
The comment that civvies cant be f~~~~~ed about like the regs is partly true - however, my recent experience with the RAF begs a different reply. There were so many RAF cooks on deployment, training, leave whatever that, if it were not for the civvie MOD chefs being willing to fill all the crap duty slots there would have been a significant problem. Overtime pay earned a whopping 5% or, to simplify - coz some might need it- 20p for every pound earned!'Use it or loose it' is the oft heard refrain.
Remember the motto!
We Sustain
Don't start casting aspertions about other peoples intelligence when you are clearly thick as sh1t.

5% in the Pound is errrr 5 Pence!

Try one of these :oops:
 
#16
Biscuits_AB said:
Why? Squaddies have been whining about the standard of Army chefs for years and how many of you out there were screaming for PAYD as you didn't think that you were getting value for money under the old system?

Well, now you've got it. Should have shut the f*ck up, shouldn't you?
Bang on Biccies. It's the age old "have a dig at the chefs/slopps/egg murderers!!". Why? Because every fooker does, it's like ....Er...... tradition!

Now don't get me wrong, there are a large number of chefs out there that are fraudulently cashing their pay cheque. Even at a senior level. However there are some very very talented chefs out there that would make a very good living in civvy strasse and really do give a shitabout what they do.

It does, however, come back to the old " be careful of what you wish for"..................Also known as "how well it was sold to you".

PAYD the future......................Mmmmmmmkay. Very not convinced.

CplFoodspoiler said:
The comment that civvies cant be f~~~~~ed about like the regs
I believe this was aimed at my previous comment, however:

CplFoodspoiler said:
my recent experience with the RAF begs a different reply.
My point was not aimed at experience within the RAF. My point is still valid, you simply cannot fuck about civvies like a squaddie can be fucked about. For example civvies can phone in sick anytime they wish ( especially if they know its gonna get busy real soon and there is an exercise on so the military chefs are otherwise tied up. ) I am not saying all civvies are work shy barstewards either, it's just the way it is. Like I said before, you get your good and your bad employees, and civvies are not paid to take billy bullshit :D

Eggmeister said:
you dont need a CPL in the HUB making paninis or burgers.
You are bang on there Egg dude, if i was a chef CPL and that was the sum of my days productivity i would be ashamed at the way the course that my trade had taken. ( Unless I was lazy fooker, then I would be looking at easy street! )

Eggmeister said:
i am hearing that in barracks the role of the seniors and master chefs have go to just a monitering core meals and the core meal uptake has droped as the reatils offers get better.
Well, with you being a chef, you should know that there is now a split in what the senior management is responsible for. The senior management structure has now shifted so that the RCWO or master chef has a responsibility to the contractor now and that is his/her primary job "catering" wise, he/she does, however still have a disciplinary and welfare capacity to his/her troops.

Now with all this chitter chatter about food, it's time for a bacon butty and another cold beer :D
 
#18
Biscuits_AB said:
chocolate_frog said:
Sack the civvies, get more military chefs,reservists etc. and bin PAYD.
Why? Squaddies have been whining about the standard of Army chefs for years and how many of you out there were screaming for PAYD as you didn't think that you were getting value for money under the old system?

Well, now you've got it. Should have shut the f*ck up, shouldn't you?
What an intelligent contribution - Not!!
 
#19
The Irish Army have contracted all the catering out, apart from chefs. The call it "front of house catering". The chefs are still military but they are supported by civvy plate washers etc. Removing the need to put soldiers in dining halls.

Also the chefs are an integral part of the major unit in barracks. There is no catering units.
 
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#20
GrumpyGit said:
Biscuits_AB said:
chocolate_frog said:
Sack the civvies, get more military chefs,reservists etc. and bin PAYD.
Why? Squaddies have been whining about the standard of Army chefs for years and how many of you out there were screaming for PAYD as you didn't think that you were getting value for money under the old system?

Well, now you've got it. Should have shut the f*ck up, shouldn't you?
What an intelligent contribution - Not!!
What would you know about intelligence? It's a statement of fact you f*cking tube.
 

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