Future of 4 RIFLES, plus manning of the Ranger Brigades:

From a friend of mine, from 4 RIFLES.

Big change for the Regiment.

Well that’s the end of the line for 4 Rifles. Not sure how the Rhodesian Selous Scout capbadge came to be the inspiration.Though a breed apart of warriors isn’t a bad model.
Personally this has got operational opportunities written all over it. Especially with current situation in Mozambique and Mali.
TAKEN FROM A POST BY *** ******. Central England branch.
Here you go - The future of The Rifles and wider Army (loss of 4Rifles the old 3/2RGJ)
Morning all (4 RIFLES)
The CO held a command group on Wednesday and the information he passed on will be of interest to all of you. Not all of the information is universally positive and I implore you to communicate it with compassion and a bit of common sense.
Wider Army restructuring
The current restructuring is the biggest change in the Army since the 1990 Options for change review, there is a leadership responsibility on us to ensure we lead our people through this process. We, the Army, will evolve from a Capability based force (ie one that defines itself by the platforms that it possesses) to a threat based force optimised to counter VEOs and HAS – but, importantly, still prepared to War fight. In sub-threshold competition speed of response is key so we are substituting mass for speed and technology. The Army will have to be engaged constantly rather than just sat at readiness doing nothing.
The plan envisages a big reduction in size and a modernisation and transformation of the reserves. The Army will reduce by 22% overall but the infantry will shrink by 32%. Key points:
1 Div will remain and 11x will transition into a Security Force Assistance Bde
3 Div will have a European focus and contribute to NATO countering the Russian threat
16X will be our Global Response force within 3XX
12X and 20X will be a mix of Armd and Hvy Mech forces
6XX will be optimised for unconventional warfare which will be a global activity
Two main components:
77X – Cyber and virtual effects
Army Special Operations Brigade
How does this affect us?
The divisions of infantry will be reorganised along the following lines:
Light Div – Rifles and Ghurkhas
Union Division – Scots, R Welsh, R Irish, Yorks
Guards Para Division
Queens Div – Lancs, Mercians, Anglians
Initially, at least, each Ranger Bn will be aligned to a Division of Infantry. 4 Rangers, us, will be aligned to the Light Div and so will draw a lot of our man power from The Rifles and Ghurkhas. We are fortunate because we are very accustomed to this model, there are some very unlikely bedfellows elsewhere that will inevitably cause frictions.
The Rifles will lose 921 pids by 2025, which is a very short timeline. Key detail:
1 RIFLES will move to Caerwent and a New Barracks
2 Rifles will remain in NI – 1XX
3 Rifles will transition from Strike and Mech Inf to a Security Force Assistance Bn in Catterick. They will decrease from 720 to 205 SP.
5 Rifles will see their Warriors replaced by a Heavy Mech platform
Regimentally this is a huge challenge.
Our Future – The Army Special Operations Brigade
The Brigade will stand up on 31 Aug alongside the Ranger Reg HQ. There is an SO1 (Lt Col) coordinating all of the Regimental Ranger development. 4 Rangers will stand up on 1 Dec 21 at IOC with a Capbadge resembling the Selous Scouts Eagle on a gun metal grey beret and stable belt. There will be some sort of ceremony to mark this occasion, details to follow. Rangers will be an all arms organisation from Sept but will retain their unique infantry character due to their alignment with the Divs of Infantry. The exact nature of how the All Arms component will work remains to be seen but the diversity it bring, much like in UKSF, will undoubtedly be a strength and an opportunity rather than a threat and a weakness.
We will be a SOF unit from 1 Dec 21. £120m will be available for a new uniform, weapons, comms, mobility and DSA kit. The first Ranger Cadre will be in Sep 21 with a second possibly in Jan 22. We will adopt a 4 year posting model to reduce churn and work iteratively towards a permanent cadre model. Our first operations will be in Dec 21 in either East or West Africa. Our AOOs remain unchanged. We will adopt a 6/24 ORM not before late 2022, this will allow us to introduce a 6 month regeneration phase after operations.
A subject close to many peoples hearts will be, who will become a Ranger? Automatically those who have done the last two cadres and all future ones. For those who haven’t it will be looked upon on a case by case basis with me and the CO providing recommendations for who should and shouldn’t be granted ranger status. It is envisaged that the vast majority of those currently serving in the Rifles Coys will transition to what will be known as Ranger Qualified and will wear the beret, cap badge and stable belt. For those that work in a supporting area they we be classified as “Ranger Support” and will wear Ranger beret with their parent unit cap badge. This system could be seen as divisive and so it is important to recognise that EVERYONE, regardless of cap badge and stable belt, will be vital to the continued success of 4 Rangers. Please communicate this final point, everyone will be a part of the Ranger family.
We will exchange our Rifles Berets, which many of us have served under for many years, for a new metal grey one on 1 Dec 21. We will continue to be Riflemen because as we know, once a Rifleman, always a Rifleman. Opportunities and routes will inevitably remain to serve again in the future under a Rifles beret and cap badge. The Ranger will in time have a responsibility to fill e postings so there will be an increasing number of opportunities within our new Regiment.
Please distribute a widely as possible. Can a representative from each team let me know when all their guys have been briefed. On Monday we can do a dial in and we can discuss this further and people can ask any questions they may have. I am really keen for us to have an R Coy “all informed net” (where possible) because we can’t empower our junior guys if they don’t have a clue what’s going on.
Regards,
 
Ouch! And what's the bet that the next nastiness will involve a threat that the Army (UK Plc in general) had not envisaged.

'We, the Army, will evolve from a Capability based force (ie one that defines itself by the platforms that it possesses) to a threat based force optimised to counter VEOs and HAS – but, importantly, still prepared to War fight. In sub-threshold competition speed of response is key so we are substituting mass for speed and technology. The Army will have to be engaged constantly rather than just sat at readiness doing nothing.
The plan envisages a big reduction in size and a modernisation and transformation of the reserves. The Army will reduce by 22% overall but the infantry will shrink by 32%.'
 

Big Jim

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From a friend of mine, from 4 RIFLES.

Big change for the Regiment.

Well that’s the end of the line for 4 Rifles. Not sure how the Rhodesian Selous Scout capbadge came to be the inspiration.Though a breed apart of warriors isn’t a bad model.
Personally this has got operational opportunities written all over it. Especially with current situation in Mozambique and Mali.
TAKEN FROM A POST BY *** ******. Central England branch.
Here you go - The future of The Rifles and wider Army (loss of 4Rifles the old 3/2RGJ)
Morning all (4 RIFLES)
The CO held a command group on Wednesday and the information he passed on will be of interest to all of you. Not all of the information is universally positive and I implore you to communicate it with compassion and a bit of common sense.
Wider Army restructuring
The current restructuring is the biggest change in the Army since the 1990 Options for change review, there is a leadership responsibility on us to ensure we lead our people through this process. We, the Army, will evolve from a Capability based force (ie one that defines itself by the platforms that it possesses) to a threat based force optimised to counter VEOs and HAS – but, importantly, still prepared to War fight. In sub-threshold competition speed of response is key so we are substituting mass for speed and technology. The Army will have to be engaged constantly rather than just sat at readiness doing nothing.
The plan envisages a big reduction in size and a modernisation and transformation of the reserves. The Army will reduce by 22% overall but the infantry will shrink by 32%. Key points:
1 Div will remain and 11x will transition into a Security Force Assistance Bde
3 Div will have a European focus and contribute to NATO countering the Russian threat
16X will be our Global Response force within 3XX
12X and 20X will be a mix of Armd and Hvy Mech forces
6XX will be optimised for unconventional warfare which will be a global activity
Two main components:
77X – Cyber and virtual effects
Army Special Operations Brigade
How does this affect us?
The divisions of infantry will be reorganised along the following lines:
Light Div – Rifles and Ghurkhas
Union Division – Scots, R Welsh, R Irish, Yorks
Guards Para Division
Queens Div – Lancs, Mercians, Anglians
Initially, at least, each Ranger Bn will be aligned to a Division of Infantry. 4 Rangers, us, will be aligned to the Light Div and so will draw a lot of our man power from The Rifles and Ghurkhas. We are fortunate because we are very accustomed to this model, there are some very unlikely bedfellows elsewhere that will inevitably cause frictions.
The Rifles will lose 921 pids by 2025, which is a very short timeline. Key detail:
1 RIFLES will move to Caerwent and a New Barracks
2 Rifles will remain in NI – 1XX
3 Rifles will transition from Strike and Mech Inf to a Security Force Assistance Bn in Catterick. They will decrease from 720 to 205 SP.
5 Rifles will see their Warriors replaced by a Heavy Mech platform
Regimentally this is a huge challenge.
Our Future – The Army Special Operations Brigade
The Brigade will stand up on 31 Aug alongside the Ranger Reg HQ. There is an SO1 (Lt Col) coordinating all of the Regimental Ranger development. 4 Rangers will stand up on 1 Dec 21 at IOC with a Capbadge resembling the Selous Scouts Eagle on a gun metal grey beret and stable belt. There will be some sort of ceremony to mark this occasion, details to follow. Rangers will be an all arms organisation from Sept but will retain their unique infantry character due to their alignment with the Divs of Infantry. The exact nature of how the All Arms component will work remains to be seen but the diversity it bring, much like in UKSF, will undoubtedly be a strength and an opportunity rather than a threat and a weakness.
We will be a SOF unit from 1 Dec 21. £120m will be available for a new uniform, weapons, comms, mobility and DSA kit. The first Ranger Cadre will be in Sep 21 with a second possibly in Jan 22. We will adopt a 4 year posting model to reduce churn and work iteratively towards a permanent cadre model. Our first operations will be in Dec 21 in either East or West Africa. Our AOOs remain unchanged. We will adopt a 6/24 ORM not before late 2022, this will allow us to introduce a 6 month regeneration phase after operations.
A subject close to many peoples hearts will be, who will become a Ranger? Automatically those who have done the last two cadres and all future ones. For those who haven’t it will be looked upon on a case by case basis with me and the CO providing recommendations for who should and shouldn’t be granted ranger status. It is envisaged that the vast majority of those currently serving in the Rifles Coys will transition to what will be known as Ranger Qualified and will wear the beret, cap badge and stable belt. For those that work in a supporting area they we be classified as “Ranger Support” and will wear Ranger beret with their parent unit cap badge. This system could be seen as divisive and so it is important to recognise that EVERYONE, regardless of cap badge and stable belt, will be vital to the continued success of 4 Rangers. Please communicate this final point, everyone will be a part of the Ranger family.
We will exchange our Rifles Berets, which many of us have served under for many years, for a new metal grey one on 1 Dec 21. We will continue to be Riflemen because as we know, once a Rifleman, always a Rifleman. Opportunities and routes will inevitably remain to serve again in the future under a Rifles beret and cap badge. The Ranger will in time have a responsibility to fill e postings so there will be an increasing number of opportunities within our new Regiment.
Please distribute a widely as possible. Can a representative from each team let me know when all their guys have been briefed. On Monday we can do a dial in and we can discuss this further and people can ask any questions they may have. I am really keen for us to have an R Coy “all informed net” (where possible) because we can’t empower our junior guys if they don’t have a clue what’s going on.
Regards,
sounds good have you a picture of the beret, cap badge?
I take it some will be para trained or is that not their aim?
 
he Army will reduce by 22% overall but the infantry will shrink by 32%.'

Which in the long term will reduce the pool of potential recruits on which to draw on for the Specialised units

Archie
 
sounds good have you a picture of the beret, cap badge?
I take it some will be para trained or is that not their aim?
I've not yet seen a pic of beret etc. and have seen no mention of para training.
 

Mbongwe

On ROPS
On ROPs
From a friend of mine, from 4 RIFLES.

Big change for the Regiment.

Well that’s the end of the line for 4 Rifles. Not sure how the Rhodesian Selous Scout capbadge came to be the inspiration.Though a breed apart of warriors isn’t a bad model.
Personally this has got operational opportunities written all over it. Especially with current situation in Mozambique and Mali.
TAKEN FROM A POST BY *** ******. Central England branch.
Here you go - The future of The Rifles and wider Army (loss of 4Rifles the old 3/2RGJ)
Morning all (4 RIFLES)
The CO held a command group on Wednesday and the information he passed on will be of interest to all of you. Not all of the information is universally positive and I implore you to communicate it with compassion and a bit of common sense.
Wider Army restructuring
The current restructuring is the biggest change in the Army since the 1990 Options for change review, there is a leadership responsibility on us to ensure we lead our people through this process. We, the Army, will evolve from a Capability based force (ie one that defines itself by the platforms that it possesses) to a threat based force optimised to counter VEOs and HAS – but, importantly, still prepared to War fight. In sub-threshold competition speed of response is key so we are substituting mass for speed and technology. The Army will have to be engaged constantly rather than just sat at readiness doing nothing.
The plan envisages a big reduction in size and a modernisation and transformation of the reserves. The Army will reduce by 22% overall but the infantry will shrink by 32%. Key points:
1 Div will remain and 11x will transition into a Security Force Assistance Bde
3 Div will have a European focus and contribute to NATO countering the Russian threat
16X will be our Global Response force within 3XX
12X and 20X will be a mix of Armd and Hvy Mech forces
6XX will be optimised for unconventional warfare which will be a global activity
Two main components:
77X – Cyber and virtual effects
Army Special Operations Brigade
How does this affect us?
The divisions of infantry will be reorganised along the following lines:
Light Div – Rifles and Ghurkhas
Union Division – Scots, R Welsh, R Irish, Yorks
Guards Para Division
Queens Div – Lancs, Mercians, Anglians
Initially, at least, each Ranger Bn will be aligned to a Division of Infantry. 4 Rangers, us, will be aligned to the Light Div and so will draw a lot of our man power from The Rifles and Ghurkhas. We are fortunate because we are very accustomed to this model, there are some very unlikely bedfellows elsewhere that will inevitably cause frictions.
The Rifles will lose 921 pids by 2025, which is a very short timeline. Key detail:
1 RIFLES will move to Caerwent and a New Barracks
2 Rifles will remain in NI – 1XX
3 Rifles will transition from Strike and Mech Inf to a Security Force Assistance Bn in Catterick. They will decrease from 720 to 205 SP.
5 Rifles will see their Warriors replaced by a Heavy Mech platform
Regimentally this is a huge challenge.
Our Future – The Army Special Operations Brigade
The Brigade will stand up on 31 Aug alongside the Ranger Reg HQ. There is an SO1 (Lt Col) coordinating all of the Regimental Ranger development. 4 Rangers will stand up on 1 Dec 21 at IOC with a Capbadge resembling the Selous Scouts Eagle on a gun metal grey beret and stable belt. There will be some sort of ceremony to mark this occasion, details to follow. Rangers will be an all arms organisation from Sept but will retain their unique infantry character due to their alignment with the Divs of Infantry. The exact nature of how the All Arms component will work remains to be seen but the diversity it bring, much like in UKSF, will undoubtedly be a strength and an opportunity rather than a threat and a weakness.
We will be a SOF unit from 1 Dec 21. £120m will be available for a new uniform, weapons, comms, mobility and DSA kit. The first Ranger Cadre will be in Sep 21 with a second possibly in Jan 22. We will adopt a 4 year posting model to reduce churn and work iteratively towards a permanent cadre model. Our first operations will be in Dec 21 in either East or West Africa. Our AOOs remain unchanged. We will adopt a 6/24 ORM not before late 2022, this will allow us to introduce a 6 month regeneration phase after operations.
A subject close to many peoples hearts will be, who will become a Ranger? Automatically those who have done the last two cadres and all future ones. For those who haven’t it will be looked upon on a case by case basis with me and the CO providing recommendations for who should and shouldn’t be granted ranger status. It is envisaged that the vast majority of those currently serving in the Rifles Coys will transition to what will be known as Ranger Qualified and will wear the beret, cap badge and stable belt. For those that work in a supporting area they we be classified as “Ranger Support” and will wear Ranger beret with their parent unit cap badge. This system could be seen as divisive and so it is important to recognise that EVERYONE, regardless of cap badge and stable belt, will be vital to the continued success of 4 Rangers. Please communicate this final point, everyone will be a part of the Ranger family.
We will exchange our Rifles Berets, which many of us have served under for many years, for a new metal grey one on 1 Dec 21. We will continue to be Riflemen because as we know, once a Rifleman, always a Rifleman. Opportunities and routes will inevitably remain to serve again in the future under a Rifles beret and cap badge. The Ranger will in time have a responsibility to fill e postings so there will be an increasing number of opportunities within our new Regiment.
Please distribute a widely as possible. Can a representative from each team let me know when all their guys have been briefed. On Monday we can do a dial in and we can discuss this further and people can ask any questions they may have. I am really keen for us to have an R Coy “all informed net” (where possible) because we can’t empower our junior guys if they don’t have a clue what’s going on.
Regards,
PWRR (my local lot) maybe going into Queen's Div (so I've heard elsewhere)?
 

Mbongwe

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Good shout, I'm just an erstwhile matelot, didn't see PWRR named so wondered what'd become of them... I'll wear the dunce's cap for the rest of today...:rolleyes:
 
This statements mentions that those who have completed two course / cadres will be selected and other based on an paper assessment,

I assume that with the reduction of numbers being mention, the logical conclusion is that there will be redundancies within the infantry, although this statement is not entirely explicit, could mean a reduction in the number of Gurkha's
 
Selous Scouts inspired insignia.


That’ll go down well in east Africa.
 
Selous Scouts inspired insignia.


That’ll go down well in east Africa.
To maintain Selous Scouts tradition, THAT RIFLE will be re-introduced to boost morale, full dress uniform of new Regt will be thus, beards will be optional if Wigston becomes new CDS.

scouting4danger_k.jpg
 
This statements mentions that those who have completed two course / cadres will be selected and other based on an paper assessment,

I assume that with the reduction of numbers being mention, the logical conclusion is that there will be redundancies within the infantry, although this statement is not entirely explicit, could mean a reduction in the number of Gurkha's
PIDs and bodies are not the same thing, as anyone within line of sight of an RRS location will tell you... ;)
 

Old Stab

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1 Rifles in a new barracks in Caerwent.
It's been punted about for a few years but... Caerwent training area for it. I very much doubt it tbh.
 
I know this is probably contentious and been mentioned elsewhere ad nauseum, though imo the sooner we embrace a 'Corps of Infantry' in the interests of downsi... modernisation the better. You can still champion hundreds of years of heritage without the additional need for regional fancy dress, accruements etc. There's like, what, ~15'000 infantry left and we're still referring to guards, Scots, Queens etc 'divisions' ?

It feels like re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic at times.
 
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