Future Lynx gets the chop

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Douglas Carswell, a Tory MP who has written a paper on scrapping the Lynx deal with the Italian firm Finmeccanica, said: "This is a bad deal and the sooner we get out of it the better.

"We could announce, for example, that we would buy the same amount of helicopters from Sikorsky - and still have £580 million to spend addressing funding shortages elsewhere in the Armed Forces."

He added that the Sikorsky Seahawk helicopters would be available within 12 months. The Lynx is not expected in service until 2013.

The American-built Seahawks would cost £6 million, or the MoD could buy the well-regarded EADS Eurocopter at £4.5 million each rather than the £14 million for each Lynx.

The likely cut will be part of an "examination" of major projects as the MoD faces a £1 billion hole in defence spending this year.


But whenever has the MoD listened to common sense?
 
#3
The figures say it all! Buy now off the shelf for a third the price or wait 'til 2013 for Westland to stop fannying about (and THEN go bust, presumably).

Balls to UK helicopters, the "industry" clearly deserves a quiet death.
 
#4
So how are we going to add the equipment to use such weapons as sea skua and tigerfish as well as all the british sonar etc. Remember what happened with all those shiney chinooks that sat around for X amount of years!
 
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So how are we going to add the equipment to use such weapons as sea skua and tigerfish as well as all the british sonar etc. Remember what happened with all those shiney chinooks that sat around for X amount of years!
 
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instinct said:
So how are we going to add the equipment to use such weapons as sea skua and tigerfish as well as all the british sonar etc. Remember what happened with all those shiney chinooks that sat around for X amount of years!
Maybe not giving Westland easy contracts at stupid money will wake them up and make them completive and efficient!

This doesn’t need to kill Westland, but it’s a big kick up the backside.
 
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instinct said:
So how are we going to add the equipment to use such weapons as sea skua and tigerfish as well as all the british sonar etc. Remember what happened with all those shiney chinooks that sat around for X amount of years!
err, do the Septics or Europeans have any trouble attaching/connecting/installing kit? :roll:
 
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instinct said:
So how are we going to add the equipment to use such weapons as sea skua and tigerfish as well as all the british sonar etc. Remember what happened with all those shiney chinooks that sat around for X amount of years!
Getting a working airframe's half the problem, the other (as you rightly point out) is giving the navigator a job to do (ie bolting in the gubbins). Sacking off Westland gets us bang into testing the stuff that matters, which would (presumably) all have to be done anyway.

Chinny was different, that was the helicopter's software. All we need is a flying box to strap a radar etc onto, which can be done the easy way or the damnfool way
 

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As long as it is stated CLEARLY in the contract that mission system X has to be fitted then what is the problem?

But given the Seahawk already has a perfectly good (if different) mission system and weapons fit why not use those? Buying Septic kit will likely be cheaper than buying british/european.

But the important text is this "But defence sources said it was now "highly likely" that the order for 70 Future Lynx utility helicopters, which were to be bought for the Army and the Royal Navy, will be axed."

Utility helo. Therefore its mission system is the cargo hold and navigation gubbins.
 
#12
Tigerfish was a now out-of-service heavyweight torpedo for use on submarines. I assume you mean Stingray?

ISTR Sea Skua is nearing the end of its service life.
 
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AndyPipkin said:
Tigerfish was a now out-of-service heavyweight torpedo for use on submarines. I assume you mean Stingray?

ISTR Sea Skua is nearing the end of its service life.
whoops my mistake i meant stingray.
 

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#14
Aaah, Westlands. Back in the early '90s they were a continuing source of problems for the MoD - because they wouldn't submit their bills on time. This was not for any subtle tax scam reasons, just incompetence. As a result the RN budget was all to cock (more so than normal) due to not knowing when this money would be taken out. They were pretty incompetent then - I only hope they are better now!
 
#16
Where is Hestletine when they need him?
 
#17
If you actually read the article, it doesn't actually state it has been chopped (yet) but it is in the barrel with a load of other possible chops. Decision hasn't been made yet but is muted to be at the end of May...but may well be pushed back yet again due to no one having the balls to make a decision either way. If it does get binned, do you really think the money 'saved' would be used to buy another helicopter? :roll: As far as the audit office sees it, we have helicopters and enough for at least the next few years. Thats as far as they and everyone else concerned looks.
 
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instinct said:
So how are we going to add the equipment to use such weapons as sea skua and tigerfish as well as all the british sonar etc. Remember what happened with all those shiney chinooks that sat around for X amount of years!
This has to be the only problem in the history of UK military chopperdom that isn't the fault of Wastelands; this was definitely a fcukup shared between MOD procurement and Boiinnnggg Vertol.
 
#19
Remember scrapping the Red Arrows?

Remember putting the carrier project back and then abandoning it?

Remember the moritorium on jumps?


All sourced from anonymous sources, all based on no evidence, all turning out to be complete bollox.





What is the difference between those non stories and this one?
 
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deSTABlised said:
This has to be the only problem in the history of UK military chopperdom that isn't the fault of Wastelands; this was definitely a fcukup shared between MOD procurement and Boiinnnggg Vertol.
In what way was this Boeing's fault. Has any money been recovered from Boeing, no. They delivered exactly what it said on the 'purchase order'

I thought this outrageous fcuk up was 100% home grown
 
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