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Future Force 2020 is a chocolate teapot, says HCDC

Zhopa

War Hero
Who'd have thought it?

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201415/cmselect/cmdfence/512/51202.htm


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Defence Committee

Select Committee Announcement


23 March 2015


RE-THINKING DEFENCE TO MEET NEW THREATS

The Strategic Defence and Security Review and the plans to develop the Future Force 2020 no longer reflect the new threats to peace around the world, says the Defence Committee in its report: “Re-thinking Defence to Meet New Threats”.

For the first time in twenty years, an advanced military state has challenged the borders of European nations, and the security challenges in the Middle East, Africa, and South Asia have increased dramatically in scale and complexity. Serious instability persists in Darfur, Somalia, the Central African Republic, and Pakistan. Three million people have been displaced and two hundred thousand killed in Syria. These represent just some of the security challenges.

The Committee believe that the UK cannot afford to ignore these challenges and retreat to isolation. Global peace and security is of immense importance to the world, and to the UK itself. The UK occupies a key leadership role in international organisations, and still has the capacity to play a deeply constructive role in preserving and restoring security.

The 2010 SDSR was primarily designed in the light of the UK’s presence in Afghanistan (a mission, in which the UK deployed fewer than 10,000 troops as part of a 100,000 strong, US-dominated coalition). Future Force 2020 planned to deal with one problem at a time by deploying 6,600 troops on a decade-long enduring stabilisation operation in a single country. Now, there is a requirement to support stability in a dozen different theatres simultaneously, and to engage with both unconventional and conventional threats.

Chairman of the Defence Committee, Rory Stewart MP says “The SDSR and Future Force 2020 were based on the fundamental assumption that British Forces should be structured to deploy a single Brigade formation to a single key theatre such as Afghanistan and sustain it there. But now we can see that we might be needed in a dozen different theatres, concurrently, confronting terrorism or lightly armed, paramilitaries in one setting and heavily armed, formed units of an advanced military nation in another. More advanced military threats, and multiple concurrent threats both require a fundamental rethinking of our strategy and our force structure."

The Committee outline four major tasks to bring UK Defence into line for the future:

1.The UK must rebuild its conventional capacities reduced since the Cold War. The requirements are many, including Maritime Surveillance, Nuclear, Biological, Chemical and Radiological warfare training, developing a Ballistic Missile Defence capability, an enhanced Navy and Air Force, a comprehensive carrier strike capability, and full manoeuvre warfare capacity. This will involve demonstrating a conventional and nuclear capacity and determination to deter any further threats to the European order.

2.The UK must also work to really build the strength and closeness of its partnerships in coalition. The UK's Defence will depend greatly on retaining the trust and commitment of the US and France to mutual defence.

3.The UK must develop new capabilities to respond to the threat from ‘next-generation’ or asymmetric (also described as ambiguous) warfare—in particular threats from cyber attack, information operations, and the use of Special Forces to support subversion.

4.The UK must simultaneously develop the capacity to respond to an expanding series of challenges outside Europe—terrorism, brutal authoritarian regimes (killing their own citizens), extremist groups holding large territories as pseudo-states, state collapse, civil war, and state fragility. It needs to do so concurrently, and with limited resources, and this too may require more imaginative deployments and force structures.

Chairman of the Defence Committee, Rory Stewart MP says “We need to continue to commit to 2% of GDP to enhance the NATO alliance and retain US involvement in Europe. But this will still mean we have to make tough choices about what to do and, perhaps equally importantly, what not to do. This will require immense discipline and imagination. But it is vital to rethink the fundamental assumptions of our Defence planning, if we are to help arrest the descent into chaos, which threatens to spread from the Western Mediterranean to the Black Sea.”
 

P2000

LE
Can't help but feel that all those capabilities come in well north of 2% of GDP.
 

Zhopa

War Hero
They touch on all of that, in the usual excessively polite way.

Trouble is, as per usual, HCDC's role seems to be to point to past cock-ups rather than have any real influence on future decisions. In this case, making it plain (in their usual excessively polite etc. etc.) what a total CF SDSR 2010 was.

However, as noted,
All talk.
 

P2000

LE
Indeed. Which feels unaffordable*



*Without significant re-engineering of the British State, which seems somewhat unlikely.
 
Have they decided what we're going to be yet ?
World policeman, local EU bobby, or plain home guard ?
Any one of those requires more investment as has been pointed out. "Money" and "mouth" spring to mind.
 
what a total CF SDSR 2010 was.

We've seen nothing yet. Standby for SDSR 2015 in the Autumn................................
 
The Tornado force will go for a start...

OSD 2016?
Not until Typhoon is SS and Brimstone cleared. They gave 2 (AC) Sqn a reprieve for a year remember, because they don't have the numbers and F-35 isn't going to be early is it? Doubt Typhoon can cover all of our commitments, that's never stopped them being arrses mind.
 
Love this bit!:

"Chairman of the Defence Committee, Rory Stewart MP says “The SDSR and Future Force 2020 were based on the fundamental assumption that British Forces should be structured to deploy a single Brigade formation to a single key theatre such as Afghanistan and sustain it there. But now we can see that we might be needed in a dozen different theatres, concurrently, confronting terrorism or lightly armed, paramilitaries in one setting andheavily armed, formed units of an advanced military nation in another. More advanced military threats, and multiple concurrent threats both require a fundamental rethinking of our strategyand our force structure."

So in summary - UK Forces could be required anywhere against any type of threat!
B'jesus! How much do they pay these great thinkers to work out FF2020 was a shite idea and the UK has no idea where or what the future threat will be!
So unless we buy enough equipment and employ enough service personnel to cover all scenarios ( need equipment of the U.S. and forces the size of China), then we carry on as normal!
So as you were then! (Sighs....)
 
Not until Typhoon is SS and Brimstone cleared. They gave 2 (AC) Sqn a reprieve for a year remember, because they don't have the numbers and F-35 isn't going to be early is it? Doubt Typhoon can cover all of our commitments, that's never stopped them being arrses mind.

Which takes us until when? 2016? The Tornado is knackered and there will no doubt be promises of jam tomorrow e.g a purchase of F-35A...
 
What gets me is that the collective wisdom of arrse could have pointed all this out to the defenceless commitee for the price of three pints and a decent barbeque.
ps - just had a chinook go overhead. Need at least another dozen on top of the recent orders.
 

Bowmore_Assassin

LE
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"The Strategic Defence and Security Review and the plans to develop the Future Force 2020 no longer reflect the new threats to peace around the world, says the Defence Committee in its report: “Re-thinking Defence to Meet New Threats”.

For the first time in twenty years, an advanced military state has challenged the borders of European nations, and the security challenges in the Middle East, Africa, and South Asia have increased dramatically in scale and complexity. Serious instability persists in Darfur, Somalia, the Central African Republic, and Pakistan. Three million people have been displaced and two hundred thousand killed in Syria. These represent just some of the security challenges.

The Committee believe that the UK cannot afford to ignore these challenges and retreat to isolation. Global peace and security is of immense importance to the world, and to the UK itself. The UK occupies a key leadership role in international organisations, and still has the capacity to play a deeply constructive role in preserving and restoring security.

The 2010 SDSR was primarily designed in the light of the UK’s presence in Afghanistan...."

Blah blah blah....

Lies. SDSR and the 3 Month Exercise were about finances and nothing to do with a realistic, comprehensive strategy for the UK's defence. Afghanistan had nothing to do with it.

Not one soldier or officer I served with until I left in 2012 believed any if the spin and we all knew Army 2020 was a plan built on sand...in particular the AR plan was spin and was never going to work. It still won't.

As right as this report may be, it is polite rhetoric and Nothing will be done about this because our political leaders won't do the right thing.



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Indeed; also, they will require a significant improvement in both recruiting and retention...
For the air farce and the navy, but I saw no mention of the army.
 

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