Fusilier Gordon Gentle

#3
ABrighter2006 said:
Bob Ainsworth being interviewed.
Yes notice the bowed head and mumbling! Bet he couldn't look her in the eye.
 
#4
At risk of sounding like a right cnut.

Would he have wanted this???

I'm very familiar with this incident and what happened in the hours that followed and to be honest in some cases the truth hurts.
 
#6
Bad_Crow said:
At risk of sounding like a right cnut.

Would he have wanted this???
I'm very familiar with this incident and what happened in the hours that followed and to be honest in some cases the truth hurts.
I agree fully mate. If my mother kicked up the same stink after i'd been killed that she has, i'd be severely pissed off (obviously i'd be dead, but you know what i mean.)

Firstly it was he hadn't had enough training, now its the ECM wasn't installed.

Well he had the same amount of training as anyone else, phase 1, phase 2, OPTAG, off you go son.

As for the ECM, i hear that we didn't even have ECM to counter the trigger mechanism that detonated the bomb that killed him.........
 
#7
As for the ECM, i hear that we didn't even have ECM to counter the trigger mechanism that detonated the bomb that killed him.........


Doubt it. User error in this case l reckon.

No one else has had any dramas
 
#9
The inquest showed that :-

*The kit was in theatre - 1km from the base.
*The fault was human error, either at the Loggies end or at the units G10.
*Kit was fitted to other vehicles within 6 hours of the incident.

Therefore the fault lies at unit level and not with the system, the MOD or government - in contrast, for instance, with Sgt Roberts who was let down by the system and therefore MOD.
 
#10
Yes i do feel sorry for her, but did the commanders not know the kit was in the stores?? If i knew there was ECM available but not issued out, i would push for it to be available, there are many troops who went out without it in the vehicles including me, we had a few lads sent home injured after being hit by a roadside bomb.

There are alot of questions that need to be answered about the treatment of soldiers on tour, more kit issues than anything else.

People are quick enough to blame the MOD, does nobody think about blaming the commanders who are getting paid to make sure their jnr troops are looked after.
 
#11
This woman will never be happy. Her only joy in life is carrying a stick and beating people on the head with it who may or may not have contributed to the fact her son was killed!
 
#13
Joe_Squad said:
MAD_FERRET said:
unless it was command wire that is...
well you said it..........
Er, no.

'On the balance probabilities' would have been inhibited by available kit, but certainly not CW.

Rose Gentle has, understandably dealt with her terrible loss through anger, but it is surely time for her to let it go. There simply is no individual who she can make hurt as much as she hurts; it was not that sort of an incident.
 
#14
Dilfor said:
Joe_Squad said:
MAD_FERRET said:
unless it was command wire that is...
well you said it..........
Er, no.

'On the balance probabilities' would have been inhibited by available kit, but certainly not CW.

Rose Gentle has, understandably dealt with her terrible loss through anger, but it is surely time for her to let it go. There simply is no individual who she can make hurt as much as she hurts; it was not that sort of an incident.
That's what i'm saying. If it was command wire then no ECM will stop it, only detect its existence.

Rose Gentle has in my personal humble opinion, sullied the name of a young hero. Whenever any Joe Public hears the name Fus Gordon Gentle they immediately think of the chaos surrounding all her anti-war,anti-blair,anti anyone she can blame.

His memory should have lived on as ayoung hero who gave his life in service. Thanks to his mum its apparently a young man who was "too young" and "didn't have enough training" etc etc :roll:
 
#15
Joe_Squad said:
Dilfor said:
Joe_Squad said:
MAD_FERRET said:
unless it was command wire that is...
well you said it..........
Er, no.

'On the balance probabilities' would have been inhibited by available kit, but certainly not CW.

Rose Gentle has, understandably dealt with her terrible loss through anger, but it is surely time for her to let it go. There simply is no individual who she can make hurt as much as she hurts; it was not that sort of an incident.
That's what i'm saying. If it was command wire then no ECM will stop it, only detect its existence.

Rose Gentle has in my personal humble opinion, sullied the name of a young hero. Whenever any Joe Public hears the name Fus Gordon Gentle they immediately think of the chaos surrounding all her anti-war,anti-blair,anti anyone she can blame.

His memory should have lived on as ayoung hero who gave his life in service. Thanks to his mum its apparently a young man who was "tto youn" and "didn't have enough training" etc etc :roll:
Sorry, I wasn't being clear. It definitely wasn't command wire; the question is whether the form of initiation was one that the relevant kit could have dealt with, or a more developed form. It was probably the former (but not definitely).

Agree with everything else. Like Bad_Crow I have some familiarity with this incident and would be happy to see it left in the past now.
 
#16
Let's all be careful about what we say with regards to ECM on this forum.

No criticism to those who've posted so far but I can see this thread going on to dodgy ground.
 
#17
without wishing too sound harsh here BUT:

He signed on the dotted line. His parents would have known and must have accepted that there was a chance, a slim chance, that he might get hurt or worse.

He knew this as well, as l do, as every serving soldier does.

If l was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and l was to get taken out, l wouldnt want a big finger pointing witch hunt.

Every single fatality on ops is a case of what might have beens..

if they werent on that patrol, if they were under cover when the IDF came in..etc

Its a risk that we all take and inevitably sometimes people get hurt.

I strongly believe that somewhere there may have been an omission, however this could be said about anything and any body

He should be remembered for being one of those brave lads that joined because he wanted too, and not going round being some jobless chav

RIP fella
 
#18
MAD_FERRET said:
without wishing too sound harsh here BUT:

He signed on the dotted line. His parents would have known and must have accepted that there was a chance, a slim chance, that he might get hurt or worse.

He knew this as well, as l do, as every serving soldier does.

If l was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and l was to get taken out, l wouldnt want a big finger pointing witch hunt.
Every single fatality on ops is a case of what might have beens..

if they werent on that patrol, if they were under cover when the IDF came in..etc

Its a risk that we all take and inevitably sometimes people get hurt.

I strongly believe that somewhere there may have been an omission, however this could be said about anything and any body

He should be remembered for being one of those brave lads that joined because he wanted too, and not going round being some jobless chav

RIP fella
My bold. Exactly mate. My immediate family have been briefed to that effect, not that i would expect them to carry on like Rose Gentle, but after seeing her in action i immediately told them all it was a defo no-no to try any of that sh1t if i copped it. :roll:
 
#19
I tend to go with the majority view on here and have to admit that I have almost got to the "off switch" stage when his Mum pops up on the box.
Let it go, Rose and remember your son for what he was - a brave, fallen soldier. I hope you find peace.
 
#20
In those sorts of circumstances commanders occasionally have to take deliberate risks based on an assessment of the threat. Would there have been less fuss if he'd been killed by mortar fire because patrols were cancelled until all available ECM had been fitted to the vehicles?

Sadly, it was a war zone. You can't cover all the bases.
 

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