Funding for Snow Sports / Travel - ISSUES!!

Is anyone else out their having trouble this year getting funding for Snow Sports AT?

I am currently in the middle of getting a team ready for the RE Nordic Ski Camp in Idre Fjall, Sweden in about a months time and have just been informed that transport is now self funded.

Is this the case for everyone or am l being fed duff info? At the moment, a bill for the hire of 3 vehicles for not just the RE camp but the Biathlon events in France and Germany is going to be circa 8k euros.

This will have a massive impact on not just our Regiments particpation (if we can now deploy) but on the whole exercise if everyone else is having the same issue?

I know for a fact that a Private Soldier will not be able to stump up around a thousand euros for AT just before christmas!! So that will kill the sport pretty much dead in the water. Which is not good news. Any comments?
Fine thanks. Out to you

hello someone interesting that has a genuine response.
It's sport...

You need to read the DIN, but the basic concept is, unless you're representing the Army, it's a jolly, Blow it out your ARRse
Why not cut back £20 million from the TA? Its not as if they're ever going to be needed.


Fine thanks. Out to you

hello someone interesting that has a genuine response.
It is a genuine response. You must be living on another planet if you honestly believe that complaining about not being given E8,000 to drive soldiers to a ski meeting is going to meet with anything other than hoots of derision.

Thanks to Oldsnowy, I have cut and paste the recent budget announcements below. Nowhere on it can I see a statement that says "but it is OK, the RE can still go skiing".

Serial No: 57-09 Source: CinC

Date: 13 Oct 09 Released by: PR(A)


1. The Ministry of Defence has taken a number of savings measures in order to remain within budget in this financial year (Apr 09 to Apr 10). The Army is required to take its share and The Chief of the General Staff (CGS) has proposed savings measures totalling £54 million. The Secretary of State for Defence has accepted those proposals which come into effect immediately.

2. These measures affect all of the Army, particularly Regional Forces, and include savings against Regular Army recruitment, the Territorial Army, the Army Cadet Force and the Army sections of the Combined Cadet Force, the University Officer Training Corps and single living accommodation, as well as a number of other areas within the Army.

3. All Army personnel and civilian staff in the Land Forces TLB.

Territorial Army (TA): In addition to the £23 million reduction previously made in the in-year budget for TA activity, savings of £20 million have been taken. As a result, activities not directly in support of operations will stop or be severely curtailed. This will mean that TA soldiers who have not been warned to go on operations will suspend all training until Apr 10. However, Phase 1 training will continue and those who have not already qualified for their Annual Bounty will have the opportunity to do so.

• University Officer Training Corps (UOTC): Savings of £3 million will mean that all UOTC Cadet pay will cease until Apr 10. Military Leadership & Development Programme Training will be re-classified as C1 (unpaid), although undergraduates and instructors will continue to be reimbursed for travel and subsistence. Some activities will be cancelled. TA staff within UOTCs will continue to be paid for time spent on essential training preparation and administration, while training will be delivered by Permanent Staff Instructors.

• Army Cadet Force (ACF) and Combined Cadet Force (CCF): Savings of £4 million will result in most Paid Training Day (PTD) payments to adult instructors ceasing. Expansion of the cadet experience to state schools, such as that trialled in the London Challenge initiative, will be postponed. Some of the more recently formed State School CCFs may require alternative government funding to continue. Only essential adult training at the Cadet Training Centre and at Brigade level will be funded, aimed at qualifying adults to conduct low level training safely. National signals training, shooting and sporting competitions, and music concentrations will only happen if adults volunteer to run them. The national Cadet 150 programme for 2010 will not be significantly affected but some local events will be curtailed. ACF evening detachment training, which is unpaid, will be encouraged.

• Recruiting: Savings of £2 million will be achieved by reducing the inflow of Regular Army recruits into Phase 1 training by 500 with effect from 1 Jan 10. At this stage, there is no intention to take any recruit places from Pinch Point trades, or poorly-recruited Infantry regiments.

• Capital Works: £14 million savings will delay some planned upgrade work on single soldiers’ living accommodation. Of the 790 planned upgrades for 2009, 436 will be delayed and 149 will not be completed this year.

• Other Measures: Other savings which will impact on Army personnel include:

Description of Measure Amount
Reduced G6 (Information Systems) funding £0.5m
Reduced White Fleet periodic hire usage £0.5mCessation of issue of Future Army Dress No.2 and Barrack Dress until Apr 10 £2.5m
Cessation of all uncommitted Official Entertainment for the remainder of this FY £0.4m
Cessation of all remaining overtime payments for civilian staff £2.5m
Reduction in the Schools Budgets of 4% £0.8m

4. Financially, these are difficult times and the MOD, like all Government departments, is required to produce major cost savings. In July this year, the Army took savings measures totalling £43 million to constrain expenditure. These measures had an impact across a wide range of activities. The Defence Board considered the financial position again in September and concluded that further action was necessary to ensure that scarce resources are directed to current operations. On this basis, CGS undertook to make further in-year savings of £54 million.

5. Inevitably, this has led to decisions on further savings in TA activity, Cadet Paid Training Days, reduced UOTC intake and activity, and further cuts on overtime levels and the capital works budget. The planned recruit intake into the Army Recruiting and Training Division is also to be reduced by 500 to help reduce the specific pressure on the Army manpower budget.

6. Our priority is to support current operations and these measures are necessary to focus remaining resources on the main effort. These measures will not affect current operations.

(POCs removed - get those from ArmyNet if you need them, or through your own CoC)

I put in bold the bit that might interest you.
Many thanks - useful stuff.

Point to note - it wasnt a complaint, merely a question posed.
I refer you to the last line of your signature block... :)
Hello, hurrah for the CRE etc etc.

As the price you give is in Euros I presume that you are a Germany based unit.

When I ran a nordic skiing team a few years ago we also had to self-fund transport, which was a pain in the anus. However, it can be done at a not too extreme cost.

The events after Christmas can be done using white fleet, as you will be taking part in representative sport - ie ex spartan hike then the army championships., phone up them for clarification.

Before christmas is more tricky - you will need to hire in vehicles privately after a major trawl around all the local small and large hire firms. Don't go through MT as you will get a huge quote. As you are in germany the vehicles will come fitted with winter tyres, which are essential in Idre. Only insure 2 of you to drive as this will save a lot of money.

I suggest you downsize your team to 9 people, and take a MPV and a transit van, both of which can be driven on a car license and can be hired for not ridiculous rates.

Then drive all the way to Sweden without stopping (16 hours), not taking any ferries or using hotels (because of the cost) and try and get the QM to give you an agency card for the fuel. Otherwise pool your BFG tokens, get somebody to "find" some full Jerry cans and load up with as much diesel as you can before you leave Germany. You will still have to pay road tolls however. Take lots of screenwash from MT before you go, likewise rifle oil, .22LR, paraffin,bog roll and anything else you can steal and put in the transit.

Use your CILOR to pay for road tolls and fuel (go through supermarket bins for food receipts when you get to Sweden) and get the chefs to give you as much rice, pasta and meat as they can to offset the cost. Take 10 man ration packs as well if you are desperate.

Also take loads of spirits, ensuring you declare them when entering and leaving Norway (otherwise you get fined) as they can be used as currency or sold on to buy racing waxes and pay for ski repairs when you are in Sweden.

It can be done - but ensure you pay for nothing on your personal credit card and debit card otherwise you will get bent over by the clerks when you get back. Cash only and get receipts for everything.

The skiing is the easy part - the hard part is covering up all the rules that you have broken to ensure you can get there!

As I've said before - It's only an integrity issue if somebody else finds out.

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