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#3
I'm actually considering going into nursing. Despite being pretty close to the top of my tree in my own 'field' both in experience (including management) and qualification (up to Post Grad level), I can't even get interviews for some of the posts I'm applying for and that includes applying for posts three levels lower than that where I was previously employed. Some of the interviews I do get are a case of them just going through the motions, so I was and still am, considering putting it all behind me and re inventing myself in the hope that a change will be as good as a rest. I am considering Mental Health Nursing and I'm applying for a place at Uni at this time. I might reconsider now. Anybody out there got any gen on the prospects of Mental Health Nursing? The adverts boast that there are good prospects. Is this a ploy just to fill University places?
 
#4
It wouldn't cost so much to train nurses if there wasn't such a high dropout rate from training. I'm all for guaranteeing newly-qualified nurses a job when they leave, for a minimum two years return of service; those who choose to leave, or choose not to complete their training, should pay back the costs of training.

This guy probably can't go abroad because most overseas jobs look for a minimum of two years post-registration experience, or specialist qualifications. He could, however, probably do some useful work with an NGO or suchlike.

A few years ago there weren't enough nurses so the NHS imported nurses from the Phillipines and other countries to plug the gaps, and they also recruited many trainees from overseas - in 2001/2 more than half of new registrations were internationally recruited. This was encouraged by the government, and the RCN were fully supportive of this, talking (in one of their oh-so-PC publications), of how much international nurses 'enrich the culture' of the NHS. Now the RCN is whining that there aren't enough jobs for newly-qualified nurses. They can't have it both ways.
 
#5
Am a bit dubious of this. A search for "nurse" on http://www.jobs.nhs.uk pulls up 961 vacancies. Obviously, some of them will be more senior or specialised posts and there may not be any at his nearest hospital, but sometimes (well, often) you have to move for work.
 
#7
Back in the 80's, the tories closed down hospitals, brought in 'care in the community' and basically made a hash of things. Now jobs are being lost due to cut backs and overspends. Overspends mainly on the chief execs and his go'fers, but as long as they're sat comfy in their offices with an accountant juggling the books what does it matter that the nurses after dedicating themselves to patient care, work under the threat of losing their jobs and trying to care for sick people with almost nothing?
Its hardly surprising that the students drop out and the health care professionals are leaving in droves. The N.H.S just aint working for the front line staff anymore. Anyone completing their training nowadays may be better off looking more towards the private health care sector.
 
#8
I agree with foxy.

I recently graduated with my nursing diploma, and was successfully offered the first two jobs I was interviewed for. I also recognise that contracts are hard to come by at the moment due to Agenda for Change being implemented.

If he can't gain employment after applying to over 50 NHS trusts (is there over 50????), then maybe he should be working for Tesco's. Is there other reasons why he can't get a job i.e. poor sickness absence or criminal record.

Nursey

Edited to ask, if he has dreamed of being a nurse since he was 9 years old, why has he waited till he was 38 years old to do his training?
 
#9
clownbasher said:
Am a bit dubious of this. A search for "nurse" on http://www.jobs.nhs.uk pulls up 961 vacancies. Obviously, some of them will be more senior or specialised posts and there may not be any at his nearest hospital, but sometimes (well, often) you have to move for work.
All these jobs are advertised but they just leave them unfilled.

My wife is a registered Heath Visitor. There are vacancies available locally but the managers just won't take people on, and this is not a new thing it has been going on for some time now.
 
#10
Overspends are due mainly to incompetent management and excessively generous remuneration of doctors.

Nurses selflessly dedicating themselves to patient care whilst the managers sit in their comfy chairs is not something I really recognise from visits, whether as a patient or in a professional capacity. There is a lot of chiselling at the lower levels, although I accept that responsibility for this must fall to the leadership to some extent.
 
#12
Recent nurses' training courses in my area have seen the whole intake reportedly 'dropped' once they've qualified. Not only that but it is reported that we have to lose around 600 in the two NHS authorities (one of which I work for as hospital chaplain).

Talking to the staff in admin positions, they tell me of nurses being lost, depatments being merged and losses on every side. They tell me that wards and services are continuing to run out of goodwill and commitment rather than staffing and this will worsen when next year's budgets are brought in.

No matter what is said by ministers, the NHS is in meltdown. This has little to do with drop out rates and in fact, according to some trainees I have met with lately, is the cause of an increase in drop out rates. After all, when you finish training you can leave and work in Somerfields - why not cut out the middle mman (i.e. training) and go staright there?
 
#13
if he dreamed about being a nurse since he was 9 how come it took till he was 38 to qualify ?Even a lazy slug like me remained gainfully employed in nursing even through the bad days in london in the nineties agencies were a god send ,but, Its low pay and unsocial
hours .Working for the nhs is horrible .
 
#14
The Worcester Health Authority have been importing Phillipino nurses for some time. They pay for housing and language training, one free trip home and back in the first year, and after 12 months service they are paid at the same rate as British nurses, while still being given free housing.

Surely it would make sense to hire Brits instead?
 
#15
bossyboots said:
Back in the 80's, the tories closed down hospitals, brought in 'care in the community' and basically made a hash of things. Now jobs are being lost due to cut backs and overspends. Overspends mainly on the chief execs and his go'fers, but as long as they're sat comfy in their offices with an accountant juggling the books what does it matter that the nurses after dedicating themselves to patient care, work under the threat of losing their jobs and trying to care for sick people with almost nothing?
Its hardly surprising that the students drop out and the health care professionals are leaving in droves.
The main reasons for student nurses dropping out, or not working in the NHS when they qualify, are marriage, having brats, getting jobs in the private sector (nursing or as pharmaceutical reps, for example) or going to work in non-health-related jobs (such as airlines or even Tesco!). This is why I suggest that some sort of return of service or amortisation is needed.

Not all the problems in the NHS are caused by the presence of management; I fear that even front-line staff have to take some responsibility. Staff waste huge amounts of resources on a daily basis, whether it be doling out handfuls of dressings on discharge instead of just what's needed, for example, to failing to get crutches and so forth back from patients, or failing to check whether patients are actually entitled to free care and making sure those that aren't pay.

How much money is wasted on translation services for foreign patients (tens of thousands in many trusts)? How much is wasted giving refunds on parking tickets that resulted from patients not being seen on time?

Remember too, that many of the managers the RCN blether on about are actually nurses who no longer look after patients - the hordes of facilitators, researchers and others who took the money and ran from the wards. There's a black hole into which money is poured on people doing non-jobs, spending their days in an endless round of meetings and presentations. Neither the NHS nor the RCN seem to understand that being a nurse doesn't necessarily make someone a good manager or administrator.
 
#16
Foreign nurses are cheaper.
the hospital that I work at employs foreign nurses and they are still advertising and taking on Brit nurses. Most of the QAs who get out while here usually work here afterwards.
 
#17
Filbert Fox said:
Foreign nurses are cheaper.the hospital that I work at employs foreign nurses and they are still advertising and taking on Brit nurses. Most of the QAs who get out while here usually work here afterwards.
Only in the short term, as listed in my last post. When you add the package that the overseas nurses get and the payrise to Brit levels after 12 months, it's a different matter. Mind you that probably comes off a different budget, so doesn't count... :roll:
 

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