Full Screw / Lance Jack

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  1. Anybody out there know the real meaning/origin of 'Full Screw' & 'Lance Jack'
     
  2. Lance-Jack Lance-Corporal.

    General military. From 1912 (OED). Attested in numerous sources.

    ‘Jack’ probably derives from its use in nautical contexts to refer to a sailor, and taken up in the Royal Navy to mean ‘other ranks’ (Partridge).
     
  3. Where the slang 'Lance Jack' came from I do not know, but the origin of the appointment of Lance Corporal comes from way back in the days of old, when if a mounted man lost his horse in battle and was forced to fight dismounted, then being considered of superior intelligence to foot soldiers he was made an assistant to the Corporals. Don't shout at me, I'm only the messenger, and was a T.A.Infantryman long time ago. Mind you on moving to another country I did see the light, and enlisted in the Armoured Corps.

    The term 'Lance Corporal' comes from the Italian 'lancia spezzata' - broken lance.
     
  4. I should have read the wikipedia thing first. Just learned that Lance Corporal ceased to be an appointment an became a rank in 1961. That dates me.
     
  5. From the Wiki entry re Lance Corporals:

    So, a Bombardier only rated equivalent to a Sapper LCpl. Evidently there was a typo in 1920. ;)
     
  6. The way it should be! :D
     
  7. My understanding was that before Lance Cpl became a rank it was given to a Pte as an informal promotion and the said 'assistant cpl' would then hide from any work hence the term Lance Jack. As in doing Jack. There is an old song about it somewhere. I could be wrong though!
     
  8. You hum it, maybe somebody can come up with the words.
     
  9. FOUND IT!!!

    If you want to find the lance-jack,
    |: I know where he is. :|
    If you want to find the lance-jack, I know where he is
    He's scrounging round the cookhouse door.
    |: I've seen him, :|
    Scrounging round the cookhouse door, I've seen him,
    Scrounging round the cookhouse door.
    2. If you want to find the sergeant,
    |: I know where he is. :|
    If you want to find the sergeant, I know where he is,
    He's lying on the latrine* floor,
    |: I've seen him, :|
    Lying on the latrine floor, I've seen him,
    Lying on the latrine floor.

    3. If you want to find the quarter-bloke**,
    |: I know where he is. :|
    If you want to find the quarter-bloke, I know where he is,
    He's miles and miles behind the line,
    |: I've seen him, :|
    Miles and miles behind the line, I've seen him,
    Miles and miles and miles behind the line.

    4. If you want to find the sergeant-major,
    |: I know where he is. :|
    If you want to find the sergeant-major, I know where he is,
    He's boozing up the private's rum.
    |: I've seen him, :|
    Boozing up the private's rum. I've seen him,
    Boozing up the private's rum.

    5. If you want to find the buckshee private,
    |: I know where he is. :|
    If you want to find the buckshee private, I know where he is,
    He's buried in a deep shell hole.
    |: I've seen him, :|
    Buried in a deep shell hole, I've seen him,
    Buried in a deep shell hole.
    6. If you want to find the CO,
    |: I know where he is. :|
    If you want to find the CO, I know where he is,
    He's down in the deep dug-out.
    |: I've seen him, :|
    Down in the deep dug-out, I've seen him,
    Down in the deep dug-out.
    7. If you want to find the brasshats,
    |: I know where they are. :|
    If you want to find the brasshats, I know where they are.
    They're drinking claret at Brigade HQ.
    |: I've seen 'em, :|
    Drinking claret at Brigade HQ, I've seen 'em,
    Drinking claret at Brigade HQ.

    8. If you want to find the politicians,
    |: I know where they are. :|
    If you want to find the politicians, I know where they are.
    They're drinking brandy at the House of Commons bar.
    |: I've seen 'em, :|
    Drinking brandy at the House of Commons bar, I've seen 'em,
    Drinking brandy at the House of Commons bar.

    9. If you want to find the whole battalion,
    |: I know where they are. :|
    If you want to find the whole battalion, I know where they are,
    They're hanging on the old barbed wire.
    |: I've seen 'em, :|
    Hanging on the old barbed wire, I've seen 'em,
    Hanging on the old barbed wire.
     
  10. Interesting that there isn't a line about a full-screw. Perhaps it was written by one.
     
  11. This was a WW1 trench song.
     
  12. And well done for writing it out in full rather than cut and paste the original that only shows the first lines of each verse.
     
  13. looks sheepish
     
  14. I add my thanks also. Prior to that I only knew the bit about 'hanging on the old barbed wire'