Fuel Prices

#1
So how's everybody coping with the increasing fuel prices? Unleaded is around £1.15 a litre where I live, and is due to keep going up. Oil prices his $130 a barrel today - yet another record.

find the cheapest petrol in your area: http://www.petrolprices.com/

I'm not in too bad a situation, 6000 miles per year. But as fuel prices go up, undoubtedly the cost of everything else will go up. How long before this is officially a crisis and the government has to put in precautions like in 1974 <linky>

And i doubt the Governmnet will do anything to improve thing for the ordinary bloke on the street. Can MPs claim petrol as an expense?

I think Panic time is now....



 
#3
Well, the easest way to lower/cut fuel prices is the goverment to lower the fuel duty. Fuel is taxed twice by the tresuary, fuel duty & VAT. How can you tax the same product twice for fecks sake!

Approx' 80% of the cost of the fuel is fuel duty, 17.5% is VAT the theres the oil companies profit and garage mark up. Its the money robbing goverment and Gordon who in his bugdets puts the fuel up.


Stilts
 
#4
MOst of the price is duty and tax. The Government are crippling the economy with massive levels of taxation to pay for foreigners, chavs and MP's expenses.
 
#5
mediumwhiteamericano said:
I don't think panic is what people are contemplating.
No, it isn't.
I'm hugely fooked off, my employer is dropping some customers as they are no longer economic to deliver too, that means drivers will be loosing work.
Its the same in every sector of the country, the halfwit in Downing Street can't see it though.
Oil prices are not responsibel, Gordon Fooking Brown is responsible, take 30 pence a litre of fuel duty and allow the public and industry to breathe and make some money. Its really very simple, people have no more money to spend because Brown has had his sticky fingers on it.
No money to spend means an economic crash, but Brown can go on deluding himself that its the global credit criunch and the price of oil to blame. He's not the one who is skint because of it is he?
 
#7
Are the opposition offering to cut fuel duty, or stop charging VAT? Was it in their manfesto last time, or the time before.

Do You honestly think that a military junta running Britain would do so?


:roll:
 
#8
Sven said:
Are the opposition offering to cut fuel duty, or stop charging VAT? Was it in their manfesto last time, or the time before.

Do You honestly think that a military junta running Britain would do so?


:roll:
Why don't you just **** off to whatever Utopia you think your politician friends are trying to create for us Sven.
You live in your cosy little world where everything is wonderful and the population is content to act like the sheep you think they are.
Nobody believes anyone of your beloved politicians has anything but their own interests at heart. Where in this thread did anybody say the Tories were going to cut fuel duty?
I presume you think the obscene taxation levels we are being forced to endure are acceptable do you?
Of course you do, they've paid your benefits for long enough haven't they?

If you have nothing to contribute to the discussion then kindly stay out of it.
 
#9
Now the ragheads are imorting coal, and paying the equivalent of $25 a barrel. maybe the people supplying the coal should up the price like the rags do with oil and charge them $130. see how soon oil comes down then.
 
#10
If the price is high enough to think about how much you are spending by filling your fuel tank, then the tax is doing its job.

Taxation is not only a means of raising revenue for "skools 'n' hospitals", but also to affect behaviour, in this case lowering emmisions and getting people to use more environmentaly acceptable forms of transport.

However, the downside is, the revenue raised from petrol duty is not ringfenced for public transport needs, but wated on the latest fad.
 
#11
Vimeiro said:
If the price is high enough to think about how much you are spending by filling your fuel tank, then the tax is doing its job.

Taxation is not only a means of raising revenue for "skools 'n' hospitals", but also to affect behaviour, in this case lowering emmisions and getting people to use more environmentaly acceptable forms of transport.

However, the downside is, the revenue raised from petrol duty is not ringfenced for public transport needs, but wated on the latest fad.

So we have 21 fcukwit cabinet members run by an unelected PM changing a whole countrys behaviour. I'll bet they dont mention that in thier manifesto.

Is it reducing emmisions?

Is it getting people to use more environmentaly forms of transport?

If there is conclusive independant proof of the above questions then it will go in someway to pacify the public.

The fact is there is no evidence to suggest this and fuel is a very easy option to raise revenue for, as you say, the latest fad. This shower of shite of a govn dont do U turns so dont expect a leveling out or even a reduction in fuel prices...regardless of what the cost of a barrel is.
 
#12
The other downside is that no viable public transport services exist particularly for some types of job . I get 11p per mile for business travel which is not covering my mileage costs. The price of diesel here is 130ppl. Some of my lads are now refusing to go on long journeys to sites as they are not covering their costs. It can only get worse before it gets better IMHO :cry:
 
#13
Vimeiro said:
If the price is high enough to think about how much you are spending by filling your fuel tank, then the tax is doing its job.

Taxation is not only a means of raising revenue for "skools 'n' hospitals", but also to affect behaviour, in this case lowering emmisions and getting people to use more environmentaly acceptable forms of transport.

However, the downside is, the revenue raised from petrol duty is not ringfenced for public transport needs, but wated on the latest fad.
This may be partly true but I dont agree that taxing people back to the neolithic period is the answer. This policy can only work, as you suggest, with an alternative, which is limited at the moment, and almost as expensive.
I often wonder how much CO2 Fat Gordon's armoured Jag puts out, and how much he pays for the fuel....
 
#14
Sven said:
Are the opposition offering to cut fuel duty, or stop charging VAT? Was it in their manfesto last time, or the time before.

Do You honestly think that a military junta running Britain would do so?


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Sven, most of us appreciate that you dont have to worry about inflation, cost of living etc being one of those sponging benefit mongs the Labour Part love so much...

However, most of us who work to support people like you have a real issue with the way this Govt is ignoring the basics such as increased inflation, rising costs in food and fuel etc.

This Govt is not going to announce any form of tax cut as its too much in the red, with borrowing likely to reach record levels. And as for the idea that this taxation is an effort to get motorists on to public transport... please :roll:
 
#15
tonto108 said:
Now the ragheads are imorting coal, and paying the equivalent of $25 a barrel. maybe the people supplying the coal should up the price like the rags do with oil and charge them $130. see how soon oil comes down then.
Tonto you reallyare a ********* when it comes to the info youre getting. The arabs dont set the price of oil, thats determined by the markets. As for coal, thats merely a idea bing floated at the moment but a long way from reality.
 
#16
opec decides how much oil it 'produces' and how much they charge for it so they do control the price per barrel. on the other hand hand I dont like arabs either so I admit biase.
 
#17
Vimeiro said:
If the price is high enough to think about how much you are spending by filling your fuel tank, then the tax is doing its job.

Taxation is not only a means of raising revenue for "skools 'n' hospitals", but also to affect behaviour, in this case lowering emmisions and getting people to use more environmentaly acceptable forms of transport.
However, the downside is, the revenue raised from petrol duty is not ringfenced for public transport needs, but wated on the latest fad.
Assuming that this actually happens, where will the government get it's cash from if the population were to take the government up on their 'plan'? The government are closer to major dramas than they think. If we all stopped buying fuel (just for a week) then I reckon they'd prick their ears up. Dunno about exact figures but I reckon the defecit in ol'one eyes pocket would be huge (anyone care to elaborate?). I know it wouldn't happen but wouldn't a mass 'fuel strike' by everyone be a feckin great way to watch the batsards squirm.

What else could bring the batsards to their knees?
 
#18
strewth said:
tonto108 said:
Now the ragheads are imorting coal, and paying the equivalent of $25 a barrel. maybe the people supplying the coal should up the price like the rags do with oil and charge them $130. see how soon oil comes down then.
Tonto you reallyare a ********* when it comes to the info youre getting. The arabs dont set the price of oil, thats determined by the markets. As for coal, thats merely a idea bing floated at the moment but a long way from reality.
To add to that lets lump in those bloody slanty eyed chinks and the bloody pakis (Indians :X ).

The cheek of them, expanding their bloody economies and buying up all the spare capacity. How very dare they.

Its economics stupid.
 
#19
perhaps we should join forces with the americans and invade an oil rich middle eastern country just to gets our hands on the country's oil reserves. That would be bound to keep fuel prices down in the west....


...erm....?
 
#20
Diesel has gone from £1.15 to £1.25 in the blink of an eye. How the hell did that happen?

As for the argument that that the price is also designed to protect the environment, yeah, of course it is. Do you think the government would be reducing prices if that in some way helped the environment? I somehow think not. If the environment somehow cost them money, the very word wouldn't even be allowed in official circles.

This government really can't believe their luck. The environment is a cash cow that has wandered into the barn just as the ship was sinking (I know, i know, but hey I'm trying to make a point here... :) )

Considering everything we do somehow impacts the environment, it means Gordon can all of a sudden tax absolutely anything and everything, and he can claim the moral high ground whilst doing it. Taxation hasn't been so easy since King John taxed the nation's piss and spit.

The thing that proves it's a farce, is that China will be opening a coal burning power station every three days for the next five years. Why doesn't Flabby Gord try and stop that? Because he, like us, likes to buy cheap and increasingly better quality goods. If that supply of goodies is cut off because of environmental concerns, the voters might get shot of Gord's hordes.

In other words, when it becomes an inconvenience to politicians, the environment can go swivel.
 

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