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Fuel Bottle by Crab Air

#1
How can I get my fuel bottle on crab air? If I vent it for weeks, harry maskers it so it doesn't say FUEL, fill it with juice and carry it in my day sack will I get away with it?

Or do I send it (vented) in my MFO?
 
#4
if you have the bottle open its just an odd shaped metal vase, having the top screwed on will give the morons the excuse they need to confiscate it.

having fuel in it would be silly and unneccesary.
 
#5
I fully intend to vent it for 2 weeks before flying and I fully intend to stamp on it before it gets confiscated. I would hope that venting it would be enough but you never know what jobsworth is on the check in!
 
#6
I checked with RAF movements, apparantly you need to vent the bottle and it needs certifying. (by a mover?) I was advised that if you ring ahead to S Cerney or Brize they will advise you. If you try and sneak it through and they find it it will be confiscated, if however you are up front, and declare it they can send it as cargo. I had a gerber on once and they took it away for the duration of the flight and returned it at destination.
Sounds a right nause but they are not there to bugger you around all the time.
 
#11
Crab_Fat said:
I checked with RAF movements, apparantly you need to vent the bottle and it needs certifying. (by a mover?) I was advised that if you ring ahead to S Cerney or Brize they will advise you. If you try and sneak it through and they find it it will be confiscated, if however you are up front, and declare it they can send it as cargo. I had a gerber on once and they took it away for the duration of the flight and returned it at destination.
Sounds a right nause but they are not there to bugger you around all the time.
Føcking crab plod tried to take my (& the rest of the detatchment's) Gerber's off us on the way to Kuwait for Telic 1. When I told the plod we need them for our job (strategic satcom) he eventually let the loady take them all onto the Herc in a padded envelope, as a concession.

My point is this..... I'm getting onto a Herc, with 2 BVs full of Satcom kit. We're off to a sandy place, and there's a good chance that there might be a little contretemps between ourselves, and the Iraqi military representatives. So what's the likelihood of me storming the cockpit with a Gerber multitool?

:?
 

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#12
biscuits said:
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My point is this..... I'm getting onto a Herc, with 2 BVs full of Satcom kit. We're off to a sandy place, and there's a good chance that there might be a little contretemps between ourselves, and the Iraqi military representatives. So what's the likelihood of me storming the cockpit with a Gerber multitool?

:?
The std answer will be a squealed: "We have to comply with CAA regs !"
But how often do the CAA Gestapo arrive at Brize and check all the service personel pax to ensure no regs are contravened ?


All it really needs is for someone high up in the food chain to write an order permitting the movers to use their brains about this.
It'd be ignored however, as it would remove what they see as a perk of the job, ie free multitools & gadgets.
 
#13
biscuits said:
Crab_Fat said:
I checked with RAF movements, apparantly you need to vent the bottle and it needs certifying. (by a mover?) I was advised that if you ring ahead to S Cerney or Brize they will advise you. If you try and sneak it through and they find it it will be confiscated, if however you are up front, and declare it they can send it as cargo. I had a gerber on once and they took it away for the duration of the flight and returned it at destination.
Sounds a right nause but they are not there to bugger you around all the time.
Føcking crab plod tried to take my (& the rest of the detatchment's) Gerber's off us on the way to Kuwait for Telic 1. When I told the plod we need them for our job (strategic satcom) he eventually let the loady take them all onto the Herc in a padded envelope, as a concession.

My point is this..... I'm getting onto a Herc, with 2 BVs full of Satcom kit. We're off to a sandy place, and there's a good chance that there might be a little contretemps between ourselves, and the Iraqi military representatives. So what's the likelihood of me storming the cockpit with a Gerber multitool?

:?
Agreed! It's not just the Army that gets pinged for carrying Gerbers etc. However the RAF has to go along with civilian rules. I don't know who would audit the flight crew/movers/coppers if you were allowed to travel with a multi tool? You can however place a gerber etc in your main baggage. (I don't think there are too many of us that would need to charge off the back ramp of a Herc wielding a Leatherman to slit the throats of an enemy force). With all the H&S and red tape the RAF movers and coppers have to comply, thats the rules. I also agree that the last people who are going to storm a cockpit armed with nail clippers are British Forces. I don't imagine Army movers would bend the rules too much either.
 
#14
Cutaway said:
biscuits said:
...

My point is this..... I'm getting onto a Herc, with 2 BVs full of Satcom kit. We're off to a sandy place, and there's a good chance that there might be a little contretemps between ourselves, and the Iraqi military representatives. So what's the likelihood of me storming the cockpit with a Gerber multitool?

:?
The std answer will be a squealed: "We have to comply with CAA regs !"
But how often do the CAA Gestapo arrive at Brize and check all the service personel pax to ensure no regs are contravened ?


All it really needs is for someone high up in the food chain to write an order permitting the movers to use their brains about this.
It'd be ignored however, as it would remove what they see as a perk of the job, ie free multitools & gadgets.

You are correct, they are CAA regs.
However the crew and movers are obliged to follow the regs, they do not have seperate rules for soldier types going to the desert.
Why can't you just put them in yer bergen, then there would not be a problem?
Remember the movers don't make the rules, but they are expected to follow them.
 
#16
We all had our gerbers on us, as we'd been working on the kit at Sth Cerney, so we'd forgotten to put them away :x

Of course, as Crab Fat has pointed out, the gerber is only used as a secondary weapon, us comms types preferring to rely on the massive firepower of the gas soldering iron! :lol:

But in all seriousness, given (1) our occupation, and (2) the destination of the flight, (1) we were very unlikely to be shoebombers, and (2) had someone seen sense and waived the rule, what was the likelihood of us all being searched by some pasty faced Health & Safety nerk at the far end?

It was a tiny incident, but their rigid adherence to the rules when they were going home to their own beds that night really didn't endear the RAF plod to any of us.
 
#17
I agree with you all, the rules are bonkers often adhered to by petty Hitlers. It's ok on occasion to travel with a rifle and bullets but beware the dreaded nail clippers!
 
#18
Go to the IATA web site and look at haz mat regs... vented is permitted as long as it is confirmed/stamped sticky

(Movers.... ppaaaahhhh... CAA variety... I have had a wee glasses repair kit in my bag for the past 10 years and some 200+ flights, only last week was it confiscated as a dangerous object... micro, micro, micro screwdriver and three screws.... wtf was I going to do with it??)
 
#19
biscuits said:
We all had our gerbers on us, as we'd been working on the kit at Sth Cerney, so we'd forgotten to put them away :x

Of course, as Crab Fat has pointed out, the gerber is only used as a secondary weapon, us comms types preferring to rely on the massive firepower of the gas soldering iron! :lol:

But in all seriousness, given (1) our occupation, and (2) the destination of the flight, (1) we were very unlikely to be shoebombers, and (2) had someone seen sense and waived the rule, what was the likelihood of us all being searched by some pasty faced Health & Safety nerk at the far end?

It was a tiny incident, but their rigid adherence to the rules when they were going home to their own beds that night really didn't endear the RAF plod to any of us.
But if course you would want me to follow the rules when I ensure that your herc has got the right amount of diversion fuel!
You're in the military, its built on rules, we have to follow them, why not you?
 

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