FTRS pay

#1
Ok quick question for you JPA-ninjas...

A mate of mine has a bunch of TA quals (Para trained etc.) but is looking at an FTRS with a non-airborne regular unit. Would his pay be reduced to a standard Private soldier or would he keep para pay (or Cdo/SF pay) for the duration of his FTRS?

Thankers.
 

The_Duke

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#2
Not in a para-roled PID = no Para Pay unless he is Para Regt who are always entitled as long as they are in date.

I know regular SF pay has a period of carry forward for a few years after posting out of UKSF, but no idea on the details.
 
#3
Not in a para-roled PID = no Para Pay unless he is Para Regt who are always entitled as long as they are in date.

I know regular SF pay has a period of carry forward for a few years after posting out of UKSF, but no idea on the details.
That's interesting. So if someone was a TA Engineer/Medic/Arty bloke with wings and went on an FTRS with a non-airborne unit he doesn't get para pay, but a 4 para bloke would?

Also, what's the difference between 'spine' and 'spec pay'?
 

The_Duke

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#4
That's interesting. So if someone was a TA Engineer/Medic/Arty bloke with wings and went on an FTRS with a non-airborne unit he doesn't get para pay, but a 4 para bloke would?

Also, what's the difference between 'spine' and 'spec pay'?
Yes, or more accurately, that is how it works for regular service and I have never heard anything different for TA service but I am willing to be corrected.

For the second part, absolutely no idea.
 
#5
does spine not refer to higher or lower rate?
 
#6
Not in a para-roled PID = no Para Pay unless he is Para Regt who are always entitled as long as they are in date.

I know regular SF pay has a period of carry forward for a few years after posting out of UKSF, but no idea on the details.
Don't take this as gospel, but I think you are wrong. Para Reg are only entitled whilst they are Para Reg, if they move to another role where SP PARA is not paid, they go onto the reserve band of SP, so I suspect that a TA Para soldier who becomes FTRS would do the same. For more on SP, read this thread http://www.arrse.co.uk/current-affairs-news-analysis/163375-bbc-report-para-pay-axed.html
 

The_Duke

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#7
But that is the point - a Para Regt soldier is always Para Regt unless he transfers to another cap badge. A para trained gunner (for example) is a gunner with an additional qualification which for pay purposes is only 'live' while in an airborne PID. That was the crux of the para pay debate - limiting para pay to attached arms only while in role/ PID.

The Para Regt bit is a distraction anyway as I believe the OP is asking about non Para Regt going to a non-para PID, so no pay.
 
#8
So Para Reg blokes posted to Land Warfare Centre, HQ Land etc, Do they still get Para pay eve though they are not at an operational unit but in a PARA PiD?

Not looking at starting an argument, just genuinely interested
 
#9
So Para Reg blokes posted to Land Warfare Centre, HQ Land etc, Do they still get Para pay eve though they are not at an operational unit but in a PARA PiD?

Not looking at starting an argument, just genuinely interested
I said before that the thread I linked to had all the information, but on looking back, it was about 400 posts of bitching, and very few of authoritative information, so, from that thread:

Parachute Regt (up to and including Lt Col) receive SP (Para) on a Continuous Career Basis. All others, including RN, RM, and RAF receive SP (Para) on an Non-Continuous Basis.

CCB SP is paid where the specialism is fundamental to the core role of the individual, and will remain so for the duration of their career providing they remain qualified. NCB SP is paid where the specialism is a secondary skill for the individual, but is a core task within the unit in which the qualifying post has been established. Individuals move in and out of the unit/post in question and, providing they are qualified, whilst in a qualifying post they receive SP.
Or, the short answer is "Yes".
 
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