FTRS (HC) and overseas deployment

#1
Greetings all, a quick question for those in the know (that doesn't include Me). If a chap like myself (FTRS HC) was to be asked to go on an overseas deployment (say FI for 6 weeks RIC) by his unit (1st Loamshires), are there any legal barriers that stop me from enjoying it (ie the HC bit). I'm up for it but a few people seem to think I won't be included unless I am mobilised. Any admin ninja/jedi available for comment ??
 
#4
Hmm, well this is from the DIN

1. Personnel will fulfil the full range of duties appropriate to the post, without conditioned hours, but usually in a single restricted location. This is normally at the duty station but including attendance at, e.g. training events, courts martial, and routine meetings which may require travel. This does not extend to travel to an Operational Theatre. Compulsory detachments will be restricted to training periods or Regional operational events and should be specified in the individual’s commitment and job specification. In the case of members of the Regular Reserve resident abroad, the duty station may be overseas. FTRS(HC) personnel cannot be employed in an Operational Theatre or Role unless mobilised.

My take on this; So, if for example you were the RAWO of 1 Loamshires and the CO needed someone to make him a brew for the six weeks you could say it's within the range of duties appropriate to the post...

A better example is those (previously NRPS) FTRS HC in posts like Adjutant/PSAO; if their unit goes on an overseas ex or camp; do they go? Yes, it's part of the job.

It's likely to come down to the powers that be, if you've just been invited on a jolly by a mate and you'll be missed for the six weeks you're away I suspect they'll find some reason not to let you go. However, if its appropriate; get packing?
 
#8
If it is RIC, that would be an operational deployment rather than an OTX. If you are on HC, you would be on the wrong contract (abated X-factor etc). I would expect that you would need to change contract and remobilise through RTMC (incl predeployment medical and L1 MATTS) into whatever PID you would be filling in the RIC.
 
#10
Mind someone posted on here a while back about being sent/volunteered for duty in Italy during the Libya gig, then found they were penalised for X factor/pensions etc by not being properly mobilised ? My memory is that HC is basically written to allow deployment on a TA Camp or whatever but thats about it. Personally I'd be asking to be mobilised ""to keep the record straight".
....and the money would be better.
 
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#11
No, you can't. My last unit thought they could just send all it's NRPS and FTRS (HC) to Kenya until Land informed them they were not able to deploy under the terms & conditions they signed up to, unless they volunteered and if they did they would not be insured by the MoD. Land told them the only way they could deploy NRPS and/or FTRS (HC) was for the CO to order them to go and take responsibility should they get injured or killed!
 
#13
No, you can't. My last unit thought they could just send all it's NRPS and FTRS (HC) to Kenya until Land informed them they were not able to deploy under the terms & conditions they signed up to, unless they volunteered and if they did they would not be insured by the MoD. Land told them the only way they could deploy NRPS and/or FTRS (HC) was for the CO to order them to go and take responsibility should they get injured or killed!
Was there even an exercise on? Or did someone just want to get rid of them for a while?! >:D
 
#14
. Land told them the only way they could deploy NRPS and/or FTRS (HC) was for the CO to order them to go and take responsibility should they get injured or killed!
Hmmm. When they want you things can look very different.
Interview with the units CO thursday lunchtime, in theatre Sunday afternoon, paperwork to follow...and no need for any of that Chilwell or Optag nonsense either ...
 
#15
Hmmm. When they want you things can look very different.
Interview with the units CO thursday lunchtime, in theatre Sunday afternoon, paperwork to follow...and no need for any of that Chilwell or Optag nonsense either ...
And an absolute shitload of hurt should things go wrong and the Army gets taken for a fortune in court for ignoring employment law.
 
#17
No, you can't. My last unit thought they could just send all it's NRPS and FTRS (HC) to Kenya until Land informed them they were not able to deploy under the terms & conditions they signed up to, unless they volunteered and if they did they would not be insured by the MoD. Land told them the only way they could deploy NRPS and/or FTRS (HC) was for the CO to order them to go and take responsibility should they get injured or killed!
FTRS(HC) does not allow you to deploy down to the FI under any circumstances; an OTX would be covered by MTDs (which you do not receive), but to actually deploy down there in the RIC for 4 months would require FTRS(FC) - you cannot mobilise to go to the FI because it is not a theatre for which the TA or Reg Res are currently called out for.
 
#18
Quite correct you cant on whilst HC as it is what it says Home Commitment you are only supposed to be within 50 mile radius of your single location where employed, you would need change of contract to FC to go or if TA they can call you out and mob you for that period.
 
#19
On the face of it you should stag-on at home because you are Home Committment. However, go to Annex A of 2011DIN01-024 which will tell you in Para 27 that your liability for call-out is unchanged, however, you are not authorised to respond to a trawl for Voluntary Mobilisation. So if the unit want to mobilise you as an augmentee or as part of that unit, then that's OK.

Y'know you should have read the DIN when you applied for FTRS (HC), so what's to stop you from reading it again when you have a question about your TACOS ?
 
#20
On the face of it you should stag-on at home because you are Home Committment. However, go to Annex A of 2011DIN01-024 which will tell you in Para 27 that your liability for call-out is unchanged, however, you are not authorised to respond to a trawl for Voluntary Mobilisation. So if the unit want to mobilise you as an augmentee or as part of that unit, then that's OK.

Y'know you should have read the DIN when you applied for FTRS (HC), so what's to stop you from reading it again when you have a question about your TACOS ?
I read the DIN last year, cured my insomnia, no problems with my Tacos it has just popped on the horizon that we may do FI in the not too distant future. I'm happy to go along (more than happy in fact) I just had a nagging feeling that there was more to than getting my arrse on the Timmy for 18 hours. Thanks to all for the replies.
 

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