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BBC News - Frustration for the US soldiers who never went to war

For every US soldier or Marine deployed in harm's way overseas, three remain in the US working to support the mission. But, as the BBC's Katie Connolly finds, missing the defining deployments of a military era can be difficult to come to terms with.

Marine Jay Agg explains the disappointment and frustration of not being deployed to Iraq.

When Jay Agg signed up for the US Marine Corps after the 9/11 attacks, he knew he risked being severely injured, perhaps losing limbs. He knew he might even lose his life.

Yet, much to the surprise of many civilians, when his service came to an end in 2006 and he hadn't served in a combat zone, Mr Agg was sorely disappointed.

Some might imagine that soldiers who don't get deployed breathe an enormous sigh of relief, pleased that they are remaining on safe soil, far from danger.

But that is rarely the case - and it's one more reason why many servicemen and women feel deeply misunderstood.

In the Vietnam era, dodging the military draft wasn't uncommon. Young men fabricated injuries, rushed into marriages or moved to Canada to avoid fighting and possibly dying in the bloody Asian conflict.

But in an all-volunteer military, those who sign up are steeled for their possible fate, so missing out on a battlefield tour can be a source of frustration, disgruntlement and, for some, shame.

Many in the armed forces feel that too few civilians fully appreciate the drive to serve in combat.

"The root cause of the misunderstanding is that the average person wouldn't actually want to volunteer for the military, so they don't understand that motivation to fight in war zone in the first place," Mr Agg, who now works as the national communications manager for veteran's group Amvets, told the BBC.

Fighting instinct

In almost a decade of engagements which have claimed the lives of some 5,500 US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, a large proportion of the US Army and Marine Corps has been sent into combat zones.

Marines say they are aware of the risks when they sign up for service
But for every individual Marine or soldier deployed, three remain in the continental US, working to support the mission.

For many, being left behind is difficult. The instinct to fight is powerful, driven partly by camaraderie and partly by training.

Some liken the experience to football players who have trained hard, honing their skills, but never get to play a match. The irritation is palpable.

Moreover, it's hard for those who remain behind to explain to friends and acquaintances why remaining on a US base is such a blow.

'So what did you do then?'

Itzak Lefler, who joined the Marines after graduating from high school in 2001, says that when people find out he was a Marine they almost invariably ask him if he's killed anyone.

US military by the numbersContinue reading the main story [#skip_feature_02] There are 1.47m members of the US Armed Forces, which is less than 1% of the US population The Army is the biggest branch with 560,000 soldiers, followed by the Air Force (336k), Navy (330k), Marines (210k) and Coast Guard (43k)Some 140,100 servicemembers are in Iraq, about 75% of whom are Army or MarinesAbout 20% of the total armed forces are currently serving in Iraq or AfghanistanA further 301,000 are serving in other foreign posts
It's a complicated and difficult question for all servicemembers, even those like Mr Lefler who, despite his hopes, did not see combat.

"It's always hard for me to tell people I wasn't deployed. Conversations usually end up with "so what did you do then?" as if I had no purpose in the military if I wasn't deployed," he says.

Mr Lefler has dual US-Israeli citizenship and says that because of his access to classified material, his commanding officers gave him an ultimatum: give up your clearance or give up your Israeli citizenship.

Mr Lefler held on to his Israeli passport and hoped for a deployment that didn't require clearance, but he never left US soil.

Now, without a combat tour, he has a lingering sense that his eight years of service - and the military's investment in training him - were wasted. He says he feels like he hasn't fully served and wonders why the military didn't utilize his skills more effectively.

"It's not like I was bloodthirsty and wanted to hurt people," Mr Lefler said. "It was more of a camaraderie feeling for me to fight alongside my brothers, travel to different countries and serve my duties as a Marine."

'Stuck in the States'

Justin Lago has a similar story. Like all Marines he considers himself a rifleman first and foremost.

But his assigned role was documenting Marine Corps operations as a combat correspondent.

I wanted to fight, not to earn a badge of honour or a ribbon. It was the job I trained for”

Justin Lago Former US Marine
After the terror attacks on 11 September 2001, Lago and his fellow Marines itched to be sent into battle.

"There was a lot of salty talk about what we would do once we found out who and why. A lot of misguided rage," Mr Lago says.

"Everyone just wanted to be the first on a flight to fight. It didn't matter what job we had. It always went back to who we were as riflemen first."

But time ticked on and Lago's boots never touched the ground in Iraq or Afghanistan. He was deployed to the US base in Okinawa, Japan, but mostly watched the war from the US.

An expert shooter, he wished he was watching a comrade's back or saving a life rather than being "stuck in the States".

"I wanted to fight, not to earn a badge of honour or a ribbon. It was the job I trained for," Mr Lago said.

Irresistible pull

Others who have seen conflict are drawn back again and again.

Michael DeVaughn served as a military policeman in both Iraq and Afghanistan. When his service ended he decided to further his education.

For some, the lure of battle is too strong
But after three years in the army reserves, the pull of combat was too strong. He recently volunteered for a third tour, and will be deployed to Afghanistan in August.

Mr DeVaughn felt his skills were wasted in his civilian life. But mostly, he just really enjoyed his job as a military policeman, deriving an enormous feeling of accomplishment from having carried out his difficult and stressful role well - and surviving.

And, like Mr Lefler and Mr Lago, he found the unique camaraderie of the military exerts an almost irresistible pull.

"Everybody knows that at one point that your life could depend on the person next to you or vice versa," Mr DeVaughn says. "You don't feel that at a desk job."
 
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And cue someone coming in now to say they deserve the same recognition as those who served in combat zones and can we have a National Defence Medal................zzzzzz
 

RP578

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And cue someone coming in now to say they deserve the same recognition as those who served in combat zones and can we have a National Defence Medal................zzzzzz
The Americans are already there. I give you the National Defense Service Medal:



"Blue is for the oceans never crossed
White is for the eyes never seen
Red is for the blood never spilled
Yellow is the reason why!"

As told to me by a US Marine who labeled the NSDM as the "CNN Medal" for watching the war on the nightly news.
 

BuggerAll

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I had a major problem during TELIC when most of my friends and even Mrs BA deployed. I was even warned off but then told I wasn't needed.
 
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Plenty of otherwise occupied though :

A hidden world, growing beyond control


These are some of the findings of a two-year investigation by The Washington Post that discovered what amounts to an alternative geography of the United States, a Top Secret America hidden from public view and lacking in thorough oversight. After nine years of unprecedented spending and growth, the result is that the system put in place to keep the United States safe is so massive that its effectiveness is impossible to determine.

The investigation’s other findings include:

* Some 1,271 government organizations and 1,931 private companies work on programs related to counterterrorism, homeland security and intelligence in about 10,000 locations across the United States.

* An estimated 854,000 people, nearly 1.5 times as many people as live in Washington, D.C., hold top-secret security clearances.

* In Washington and the surrounding area, 33 building complexes for top-secret intelligence work are under construction or have been built since September 2001. Together they occupy the equivalent of almost three Pentagons or 22 U.S. Capitol buildings – about 17 million square feet of space.



A hidden world, growing beyond control | washingtonpost.com
 
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It's not just the Americans. I seem to recall a certain very senior officer in the Int Corps in the late 1980s who didn't even have a GSM for Northern Ireland...he obviously managed to avoid going over the water. I can't imagine he was just overlooked, although I stand to be corrected IF it wasn't his fault.

I also recall the sh*tstorm which descended from Ashford everytime someone referred to him as Brigadier ???? NFM (no effin medals). I mean to say, everyone and his dog had an NI GSM by then - I think even the girls in the Naafi at Ashford had them.

...and before any Int Corps members jump down my throat wearing Boots DMS, I had nothing to do with the scurrilous and libellous "newsletter" which originated from Ashford at about the same time, although I did find it very funny.

Rodney2q
 
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After 2014 or so, there will be i'm sure a fair few British troops who will feel the same. No Afghan, NI, Bosnia, Kosovo Iraq etc. for the first time in god knows how long there won't be an operational theatre for soldiers to deploy to. It will be interesting to see what that will be like..
 
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After 2014 or so, there will be i'm sure a fair few British troops who will feel the same. No Afghan, NI, Bosnia, Kosovo Iraq etc. for the first time in god knows how long there won't be an operational theatre for soldiers to deploy to. It will be interesting to see what that will be like..
ha ha keep dreaming I'm sure cameron will find some where to send us before it ends
 
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After 2014 or so, there will be i'm sure a fair few British troops who will feel the same. No Afghan, NI, Bosnia, Kosovo Iraq etc. for the first time in god knows how long there won't be an operational theatre for soldiers to deploy to. It will be interesting to see what that will be like..
You really think so ? No-one would have put money on our being in the Balkans or the Gulf in 1990, the cheering as the Wall came down had hardly subsided before we were deploying Armd Div (-) to places that we could not even pronounce. My guess is that, having tooled up for COIN in hot/dusty the next excursion will be to fight a high tech, fully geared up opponent in the jungle..... or antarctica.
 
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I very much doubt it. The Hue and cry that has ensued from both Iraq and Afghan and the supposed lessening of our standing in the eyes of the U.S will probably mean the end of our forays abroad unless one of our few remaining territories are attacked. Just my opinion like.
 
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ha ha keep dreaming I'm sure cameron will find some where to send us before it ends
......well we could always have a pop at the French if we really get bored.
 
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Agree with Mr Happy: There was Waterloo, Stalingrad, Korea, 'Nam etc. Always the wall flower, never asked but always rarin' to go.
 
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Shame... We could've done with some Yank Seals being deployed in Rothbury to catch Raoul Moat in weeks past. Could've handed out some Gazza medals for successful incapacitation of the enemy, although I imagine the Newkie Broon probably did that job...
 
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Strange that there are so many Yanks not deploying, Im sure they were offering 1000 dollar a month bonuses (for three months) to extend their 1 year tours in Iraq, I thought it was down to not having enough bods.
 
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Simple fact is that we have more than enough personnel between the active, reserve, and National Gaurd components of the US Army. At no point in the past decade have we had more than a quarter of our combat power deployed... let that sink in for a minute. The media is focusing in on the rotation cycles more so than the actual numbers and percentages. Units such as the line infantry battalions in the 101st and 82nd are seeing 12 month rotations with 18 months back stateside, NG formations have even longer breaks between rotations... something like three to five years. Not exactly an unsustainable figure by any stretch. More so... our heavy mechanized and armor formations have even longer stretches between deployments as there isn't much need for such forces in either A-stan or Iraq.

Now... to the jist of the article. Many NCOs and officers who haven't deployed yet are nervous as there chances of promotion diminish when stacked against peers who have.
 
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I'm OK with not receiving any warry medals during my time in the Army. I got a nice "Thanks for Playing Our Game" Cold War Certificate (printed on A4 paper) from DoD and an Overseas Service Ribbon for keeping the Russian bear at bay. The German beer was the best part of the deal.:D

I was alerted for Desert Shield/Storm in 1990 but DoD cherry-picked the soldiers they wanted (mostly health care personnel) from the unit I was in at the time and I had to stay back at the depot.


I went to Panama to support the Cuban refugee crisis in 1995 (Operation Safe Havens). At the conclusion of that operation I got a hearty handshake from the Bn Cdr of the 193rd Suppport Battalion, a letter of appreciation and a pat on the back from the 41st Area Support Group, USA SOUTHCOM, and a ticket on the freedom bird back to the Big PX. When (after my retirement) I found out that I met the qualifications to receive the Humanitarian Service Medal for Operation Safe Havens, I wrote to Human Resources Command to ask what about it. :confused: Their response was short and to the point: Why don't you fcuk off and die you didn't do anything special. :p Serves me right for being a gong walt. ;)
 

Mr_Fingerz

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Agree with Mr Happy: There was Waterloo, Stalingrad, Korea, 'Nam etc. Always the wall flower, never asked but always rarin' to go.
"Nam"

"Cheltenam" or "Rathfarnam"?
 
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Joking apart, lots of soldiers want to see active service, and lots who do see it wish they had not. Not everyone can go and risk their lives. So the question is, given the risks involved, should willingness to serve be rewarded? And what about people who try to join but get knocked back for failing the medical? Off the top of my head the options include paying a bounty (expensive), running some sort of credit system leading to a job in the civil service (expensive and hard to keep track of), or handing out medals, which is cheaper and simpler by comparison. I think it would also encourage people to turn out at Armistice parades, which then may encourage younger ones to ask them about conditions of service, and perhaps consider joining.
 

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