Frontline troops in Afghanistan 'just want to go home'

#2
Doesn't surprise me much, mate. After all, Barry O and CMD have basically thrown up their hands and flown up the white flag.

Tam
 
#3
The lad is entitled to his opinion as are all of us. We must beware undermining the work of our forces in theatre abroad by criticism of UK foreign policy.

The press would have a field day if the feelings of this forum turned negative.
 
#4
Turned negative? I have been saying that we should debus from Afghanistan as soon as possible for weeks. Ever since CMD and Barry O started the clock ticking on withdrawal and basically said to the Talibs and Alkys "Don't worry chaps, we will be out of there in less than four years. Try and not kill too many of our boys and girls until then, thanks."

As for the press, well, **** them and all their works. It is thanks to them and their defeatism, which the dumb, sheep-like masses of the huddled proletariat swallows like the best quality gruel, that our politician scumbags think that there is more votes in surrender than in staying in Afghanistan and maybe standing a chance of winning there, or at least getting a better deal from the various factions.

In short, staying there now in Afghanistan and fighting the Talibs and Alkys for the time that is left on the ticking clock and getting more of our lads and lassies slaughtered there, is just, in my considered opinion, ****ing stupid.

Tam
 

oldbaldy

LE
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#5
His his view is one shared by soldiers for centuries or back to Legions & even longer.
Exciting to start with but then reality sets in.
 
#6
Let's bear in mind that the Forces serve to implement the will of the British Government when diplomatic means have failed or are inappropriate.

That said, you've got to feel for the troops out there doing the implementing.
 
#7
Don't get me wrong my opinions is as such we should never have gone there in the first place.

But seeing as we have, our loyalty must be to colleagues overseas. The extraction phase will last many years, forces deployed will still be subject and beholden to the Treasury for additional kit [spending] as and when needed.
If there is in any way a negative perception as to the deployment the Government may not be as quick to offer up funds as and when as it has been.

I don't like UK forces being in Afghan and wish we could be out tomorrow but I would stop short of criticizing UK Government for sending and or keeping them there.
 
#8
Just to hazzard a guess but maybe the chaps at the sharp end have slightly more grasp on how badly COIN is going - which is not really UK Govs fault. It must be as depressing as being French and at Verdunne with the 'Attack attack attack!' defence.
 
#9
Turned negative? I have been saying that we should debus from Afghanistan as soon as possible for weeks. Ever since CMD and Barry O started the clock ticking on withdrawal and basically said to the Talibs and Alkys "Don't worry chaps, we will be out of there in less than four years. Try and not kill too many of our boys and girls until then, thanks."

As for the press, well, **** them and all their works. It is thanks to them and their defeatism, which the dumb, sheep-like masses of the huddled proletariat swallows like the best quality gruel, that our politician scumbags think that there is more votes in surrender than in staying in Afghanistan and maybe standing a chance of winning there, or at least getting a better deal from the various factions.

In short, staying there now in Afghanistan and fighting the Talibs and Alkys for the time that is left on the ticking clock and getting more of our lads and lassies slaughtered there, is just, in my considered opinion, ****ing stupid.

Tam
After your many eloquent posts on the same theme, it seems ironic that you should blame the media for THEIR defeatism.
 
#10
I have the greatest respect for our guys out there but this video sums it up eloquently.

What is the game plan? Is there a game plan? If it's simply to train the ANP and ANA then we're****ed.
 
#11
Frontline troops in Afghanistan 'just want to go home'

Does that mean rear echalon CSS want to stay?
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
#12
Why the surprise? Soldiers are generally pretty intelligent and pretty good at sniffing the wind. What we say on Arrse won't make a bit of difference. They know if it's working or not better than we do, they're living with it and they won't be taking their cues from a pack of fat old has beens with nothing better to do than type sh1te on the internet. I think we're fighting the wrong war in the wrong place and in the wrong way, it in no way diminishes my respect for the job those on the ground are doing or my support for them as they do it. I do, however, resent like hell the fact that they are in that situation because no-one's got the guts to let us get stuck in materially, numerically and morally in a way which might just tip the balance, though I somehow doubt it, or, as they should more sensibly do, pull our people out for a better day and a better cause.
 
#13
Why the surprise? Soldiers are generally pretty intelligent and pretty good at sniffing the wind. What we say on Arrse won't make a bit of difference. They know if it's working or not better than we do, they're living with it and they won't be taking their cues from a pack of fat old has beens with nothing better to do than type sh1te on the internet. I think we're fighting the wrong war in the wrong place and in the wrong way, it in no way diminishes my respect for the job those on the ground are doing or my support for them as they do it. I do, however, resent like hell the fact that they are in that situation because no-one's got the guts to let us get stuck in materially, numerically and morally in a way which might just tip the balance, though I somehow doubt it, or, as they should more sensibly do, pull our people out for a better day and a better cause.
Speak for yourself fatso, I'm 47 and got in the 300 Club 3 times this year. We are in Afghan, we've got a job to do so let's give the troops on the ground the support they need. No room for trendy defeatism from this c/s.
 
#14
Turned negative? I have been saying that we should debus from Afghanistan as soon as possible for weeks. Ever since CMD and Barry O started the clock ticking on withdrawal and basically said to the Talibs and Alkys "Don't worry chaps, we will be out of there in less than four years. Try and not kill too many of our boys and girls until then, thanks."
As for the press, well, **** them and all their works. It is thanks to them and their defeatism, which the dumb, sheep-like masses of the huddled proletariat swallows like the best quality gruel, that our politician scumbags think that there is more votes in surrender than in staying in Afghanistan and maybe standing a chance of winning there, or at least getting a better deal from the various factions.

In short, staying there now in Afghanistan and fighting the Talibs and Alkys for the time that is left on the ticking clock and getting more of our lads and lassies slaughtered there, is just, in my considered opinion, ****ing stupid.

Tam
That is as fine a piece of idiotic drivel as I have read for a long time.

HM Forces are professional. They joined because they are prepared to do the job which every military force is ultimately required to do – fight. As bluntslane says, “the Forces serve to implement the will of the British Government when diplomatic means have failed or are inappropriate” so they do what the politcians tell them to do - like it or lump it.

Those who don’t like the heat should get out of the bloody kitchen and let the grown ups get on with the job.

If they really want a uniform at no risk they should join a civilian marching band. N Ireland has a few and I believe some football clubs have them also, complete with probably fake ostrich feathers.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
#15
Speak for yourself fatso, I'm 47 and got in the 300 Club 3 times this year. We are in Afghan, we've got a job to do so let's give the troops on the ground the support they need. No room for trendy defeatism from this c/s.
Clearly you're prematurely senile. I have no idea what the 300 club is but it sounds both Greek and gay. How about taking your brain to the gym and sharing your insights as to why you think we're winning. I suggested two courses of action, neither of which reflect trendy defeatism, and then you bound in with the mindless enthusiasm of the denser sort of Labrador. The best way of supporting our troops on the ground is to ensure that their lives are not wasted because of political cowardice or sloppy thinking, not by unconditional tail-wagging and hoping for the best.
 
#16
What a non story. Serviceman states that now he has resonsibilities he wants to get home in one piece. Not really a surprise is it?
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
#17


That is as fine a piece of idiotic drivel as I have read for a long time.

HM Forces are professional. They joined because they wanted to do the job which every military force is ultimately required to do – fight. As bluntslane says, “the Forces serve to implement the will of the British Government when diplomatic means have failed or are inappropriate.”

Those who don’t like the heat should get out of the bloody kitchen and let the grown ups get on with the job.

If they really want a uniform at no risk they should join a civilian marching band. N Ireland has a few and I believe some football clubs have them also, complete with ostrich feathers.


Balleh,

That is macho, bullsh1t cr@p at so many levels. Yes, soldiers join up to fight but there is an understanding that we won't ask them to throw their lives away because the chain of command, including the politicians, is too idle, gutless or stupid to do anything else. The British Army's been in the kitchen for nine years and if soldiers are beginning to wonder whether those in charge have a clue about what they're trying to do, it really is not surprising. Any decent commander makes it clear that he'll make every effort not to waste lives and the British soldier generally responds well to that. The idea that they've signed on the dotted line and thus deserve everything they get, is garbage in my view. We are going to need the Army in the years to come so let's not destroy the trust that makes it what it is - maybe that should be; destroy the trust anymore than we have already.
 
#18
Clearly you're prematurely senile. I have no idea what the 300 club is but it sounds both Greek and gay. How about taking your brain to the gym and sharing your insights as to why you think we're winning. I suggested two courses of action, neither of which reflect trendy defeatism, and then you bound in with the mindless enthusiasm of the denser sort of Labrador. The best way of supporting our troops on the ground is to ensure that their lives are not wasted because of political cowardice or sloppy thinking, not by unconditional tail-wagging and hoping for the best.
Woof, woof, got a biscuit, ducky?

Which is the right war, where is it and how should we fight it?

In your post you also say that no-ones got the guts to let us get stuck in materially, numerically and morally in such a way as might tip the balance. Are you proposing more materiel, manpower and a change in current RoE as a way of beating the Taliban? What better day and better cause do you refer to, do we get to pick and choose our duties?

Strangely, you come across as way more right wing than I am or in some ways further left than the pinkest Grauniad reader. You're either very confused or indeed quite correct about my early onset senility.
 
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pp0470

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#19
I think it is important we don't forget the young soldiers who want to spend their R&R in Thailand - I recommend a soapy massage. Have fun lads!

Is it a shit situation for them in Afghan? Yes, I think so. Will they go and do the job to the best of their ability anyway? Yes, definately.
 
#20
I have just come back. I was medevac'd off the ground from a blast injury. Is anyone really surprised by the above video? That the average soldier out there does not give a flying f*ck about the overall mission and whether or not it succeeds and just wants to come home to some post tour money? I mean are you REALLY surprised?

That video merely puts on record what every soldier out there is thinking from about 20 minutes after stepping off the plane irrespective of what they do. In fact I could probably fill in the bits he obviously thought where better left unsaid. Nobody cares whether Afghanistan flourishes or burns (More likely burns) once we leave. Like all other things in the army, it's something we will do professionally and to the very best of our ability while we are there but ultimately it's something to get through and onto the next crap job.
 

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