From the BBC Russia shot Georgian UAV

#2
Interesting, but it does not say where it occured. Was it in Georgian or Russian airspace?
 
#3
Yeah I saw that, good footage. The Georgian official claimed it happened over Abkhazia. Russia completely denied the incident ever happened.
 
#4
Not the hardest of shots i'd have thought - but good footage anyway! Is Georgia a fully independent state then?
 
#5
On Sunday Abkhasians made a statement claiming they shot down Georgian spy-plane over their territory; Georgian government denied they had spy-plane there. Monday Abkhasians went public demonstrating the wreckage; Georgia admitted they did have a spy over Abkhasia, but went hysterical claiming it was shot down by Russians from Abkhasian airbase despite Abkhasians insisting they did it and not for the first time either. :D
 
#6
Georgian snobbery at work then? :D
 
#7
Domovoy said:
On Sunday Abkhasians made a statement claiming they shot down Georgian spy-plane over their territory; Georgian government denied they had spy-plane there. Monday Abkhasians went public demonstrating the wreckage; Georgia admitted they did have a spy over Abkhasia, but went hysterical claiming it was shot down by Russians from Abkhasian airbase despite Abkhasians insisting they did it and not for the first time either. :D
Abkhwhovians? Is this one of those imaginary places that only Russia recognises?
 
#8
twofifty said:
Domovoy said:
On Sunday Abkhasians made a statement claiming they shot down Georgian spy-plane over their territory; Georgian government denied they had spy-plane there. Monday Abkhasians went public demonstrating the wreckage; Georgia admitted they did have a spy over Abkhasia, but went hysterical claiming it was shot down by Russians from Abkhasian airbase despite Abkhasians insisting they did it and not for the first time either. :D
Abkhwhovians? Is this one of those imaginary places that only Russia recognises?
Abkhazia- isn't that where they send the nasty wizards in the Harry Potter books?
 
#9
twofifty said:
Domovoy said:
On Sunday Abkhasians made a statement claiming they shot down Georgian spy-plane over their territory; Georgian government denied they had spy-plane there. Monday Abkhasians went public demonstrating the wreckage; Georgia admitted they did have a spy over Abkhasia, but went hysterical claiming it was shot down by Russians from Abkhasian airbase despite Abkhasians insisting they did it and not for the first time either. :D
Abkhwhovians? Is this one of those imaginary places that only Russia recognises?
:D
Not yet. But God forbid you ever refer to Abkhaz as Georgian!
 
#10
Domovoy said:
twofifty said:
Domovoy said:
On Sunday Abkhasians made a statement claiming they shot down Georgian spy-plane over their territory; Georgian government denied they had spy-plane there. Monday Abkhasians went public demonstrating the wreckage; Georgia admitted they did have a spy over Abkhasia, but went hysterical claiming it was shot down by Russians from Abkhasian airbase despite Abkhasians insisting they did it and not for the first time either. :D
Abkhwhovians? Is this one of those imaginary places that only Russia recognises?
:D
Not yet. But God forbid you ever refer to Abkhaz as Georgian!
So, to sum up we have a Georgian drone allegedly shot down by the Azkabanians, who are also more or less Georgians, but would rather be Russians. Am I allowed to be confused right now? :? 8O :slow:
 
#11
I see some Russian official on Interfax claimed it was an Abkhaz L-39. Hilarious. He might have well said it was shot down by a Morris Minor. It was obviously a MiG-29, clear as day. Quite interesting to see how sensitive the IR seeker is on an R-73 missile - that UAV must give off about as much heat as a candle flame.
 
#12
It's a region in Georgia, loyal to moscow.

Domovoy is spinning things a bit though, the Abkhazian claimed to have shot it down with anti air, the video clearly shows a mig.

the most the Abkhazian air force has is a few of these armed with machine guns;

 
#14
codbutt, it was not Russian official, but Abkhasian

"Deputy Defense Minister Garri Kupalba of unrecognized republic claimed at a press conference in Sukhumi that the drone was shot down not by MIG-29 but by L-39 aircraft. Several of them, modified from the training are available to Abkhazia." http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/russian/international/newsid_7360000/7360834.stm

mark1234,
I'm not "spinning" anything. The first spy-plane was shot down over Abkhasia on the 18 of March:
"The Abkhaz air defenses shot down the plane. According to ITAR-TASS secretary of the Security Council of unrecognized republic Stanislav Lakoba, drone aircraft, flew on to the territory of Abkhazia from the east. A fighter plane was launched and shot it down between Ochamchirskim and Gali districts in the vicinity of the village of Primorskoye.
The Ministry of Defense of Georgia has called "absurd" the statement made by Sukhumi: "These allegations are absurd " - said the military representative of Georgian republic - we are not going to comment on such statements." " 18.03.2008 16:31 http://grani.ru/War/m.134652.html

On the 20 of April the second one was shot down.
 
#15
twofifty said:
Domovoy said:
twofifty said:
Domovoy said:
On Sunday Abkhasians made a statement claiming they shot down Georgian spy-plane over their territory; Georgian government denied they had spy-plane there. Monday Abkhasians went public demonstrating the wreckage; Georgia admitted they did have a spy over Abkhasia, but went hysterical claiming it was shot down by Russians from Abkhasian airbase despite Abkhasians insisting they did it and not for the first time either. :D
Abkhwhovians? Is this one of those imaginary places that only Russia recognises?
:D
Not yet. But God forbid you ever refer to Abkhaz as Georgian!
So, to sum up we have a Georgian drone allegedly shot down by the Azkabanians, who are also more or less Georgians, but would rather be Russians. Am I allowed to be confused right now? :? 8O :slow:
That's OK'. Caucasus are populated by more than 50 indigenous nations and quite few of them hate each other.
Abkhasians don't consider themselves Georgians nor Russians but they'd rather be close to Russia than part of Georgia. Situation with Ossetia is pretty much the same...
Caucasus is a delicate region. :)
 
#16
Domovoy said:
codbutt, it was not Russian official, but Abkhasian

"Deputy Defense Minister Garri Kupalba of unrecognized republic claimed at a press conference in Sukhumi that the drone was shot down not by MIG-29 but by L-39 aircraft. Several of them, modified from the training are available to Abkhazia." http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/russian/international/newsid_7360000/7360834.stm

mark1234,
I'm not "spinning" anything. The first spy-plane was shot down over Abkhasia on the 18 of March:
"The Abkhaz air defenses shot down the plane. According to ITAR-TASS secretary of the Security Council of unrecognized republic Stanislav Lakoba, drone aircraft, flew on to the territory of Abkhazia from the east. A fighter plane was launched and shot it down between Ochamchirskim and Gali districts in the vicinity of the village of Primorskoye.
The Ministry of Defense of Georgia has called "absurd" the statement made by Sukhumi: "These allegations are absurd " - said the military representative of Georgian republic - we are not going to comment on such statements." " 18.03.2008 16:31 http://grani.ru/War/m.134652.html

On the 20 of April the second one was shot down.

An L-39 has one fin.
 
#17
mark1234 said:
Domovoy said:
codbutt, it was not Russian official, but Abkhasian

"Deputy Defense Minister Garri Kupalba of unrecognized republic claimed at a press conference in Sukhumi that the drone was shot down not by MIG-29 but by L-39 aircraft. Several of them, modified from the training are available to Abkhazia." http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/russian/international/newsid_7360000/7360834.stm

mark1234,
I'm not "spinning" anything. The first spy-plane was shot down over Abkhasia on the 18 of March:
"The Abkhaz air defenses shot down the plane. According to ITAR-TASS secretary of the Security Council of unrecognized republic Stanislav Lakoba, drone aircraft, flew on to the territory of Abkhazia from the east. A fighter plane was launched and shot it down between Ochamchirskim and Gali districts in the vicinity of the village of Primorskoye.
The Ministry of Defense of Georgia has called "absurd" the statement made by Sukhumi: "These allegations are absurd " - said the military representative of Georgian republic - we are not going to comment on such statements." " 18.03.2008 16:31 http://grani.ru/War/m.134652.html

On the 20 of April the second one was shot down.

An L-39 has one fin.
Considering, Georgian government denied their spy-planes over Abkhasia on both occasions admitting to it only after the other side wiped their noses with drone wreckage would it be far off the mark to think photoshop? After all, if Georgia had such footage all along, how can they claim they didn't have their spy-planes over Abkhasia in the first place?
 
#18
Domovoy said:
mark1234 said:
Domovoy said:
codbutt, it was not Russian official, but Abkhasian

"Deputy Defense Minister Garri Kupalba of unrecognized republic claimed at a press conference in Sukhumi that the drone was shot down not by MIG-29 but by L-39 aircraft. Several of them, modified from the training are available to Abkhazia." http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/russian/international/newsid_7360000/7360834.stm

mark1234,
I'm not "spinning" anything. The first spy-plane was shot down over Abkhasia on the 18 of March:
"The Abkhaz air defenses shot down the plane. According to ITAR-TASS secretary of the Security Council of unrecognized republic Stanislav Lakoba, drone aircraft, flew on to the territory of Abkhazia from the east. A fighter plane was launched and shot it down between Ochamchirskim and Gali districts in the vicinity of the village of Primorskoye.
The Ministry of Defense of Georgia has called "absurd" the statement made by Sukhumi: "These allegations are absurd " - said the military representative of Georgian republic - we are not going to comment on such statements." " 18.03.2008 16:31 http://grani.ru/War/m.134652.html

On the 20 of April the second one was shot down.

An L-39 has one fin.
Considering, Georgian government denied their spy-planes over Abkhasia on both occasions admitting to it only after the other side wiped their noses with drone wreckage would it be far off the mark to think photoshop? After all, if Georgia had such footage all along, how can they claim they didn't have their spy-planes over Abkhasia in the first place?
It's not just the fin, it's the whole shape of the plane you nutter, I've yet to see hollywood CGI that impressive.
 
#19
That is without doubt a Mig-29! Not an L-39. What happened to the Russian "peace keepers" who were deployed in the Abkhaz region?
 
#20
mark1234 said:
Considering, Georgian government denied their spy-planes over Abkhasia on both occasions admitting to it only after the other side wiped their noses with drone wreckage would it be far off the mark to think photoshop? After all, if Georgia had such footage all along, how can they claim they didn't have their spy-planes over Abkhasia in the first place?
It's not just the fin, it's the whole shape of the plane you nutter, I've yet to see hollywood CGI that impressive.[/quote]
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mark1234, you missed the point: I trust you it was Mig-29 in the footage...

Anyway, tomorrow UN Security Council is going to look into what happened...
 

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