fres bollocks

#1
since 1998 MOD has managed to spend £198 million on studys for a medium armour and get jack shit
either there trying to produce something that can't exist have the killing power and protection of chally2 but can be put in a c130
why not build a **** of great tank carrying air ship and buy a few more warriors more likely to arrive before 2017 ffs
 
#2
brighton hippy said:
since 1998 MOD has managed to spend £198 million on studys for a medium armour and get jack s***
either there trying to produce something that can't exist have the killing power and protection of chally2 but can be put in a c130
why not build a * of great tank carrying air ship and buy a few more warriors more likely to arrive before 2017 ffs
The Warrior production line doesn't exist any more (sadly). To build a new one and start producing Warrior again (which would probably have to comply with Health and Safety regulations) would cost another fortune.

The idea isn't to fit FRES into C130 but into A400M which, like FRES, doesn't exist.

Perhaps we could deploy soldiers who don't exist to countries that don't exist in aircraft that don't exist. They can operate from vehicles that don't exist!

Should save the Government a couple of quid.
 
#3
-ah but think of the reports that would have to be written and laptops powerpoint and plasma screens are you mad think of the cost :threaten:
although 300 odd lav would have been quite handy grrrrr
 
#4
But the fun hasn't even started yet....

The MOD will produce a spec that is badly worded and full of inconsistent comments, which they will then use to accept the lowest bidder. They will then wait until half way through the qualification process to then change the spec, rendering the previous qualification null and void, and expect the manufacturer to include the changes and additional qualification for the original price. They will then let the item get to the production stage and someone will emerge from a small room in 'shabbey wode' and say that they don't like the colour and one of the fundamental design points was not allowed 40 years ago on a different project because someone didn't think it was a 'good idea'...hence causing the whole thing to be late and over budget.

Like the Murphys......

S_R

p.s. not saying the manufacturers don't cause problems but I've been both sides of the fence (independant test and eval for MOD and manufacturing) and it's a 2 way street.
 
#5
orginal spec for sa80was 120 rounds over 24hrs wtf?
 
#6
Always the Italian Centauro,


Crew: 4
Armament: 105 mm main gun with 40 rounds, 7.62 mm MG (coaxial) and 7.62 mm MG (Anti-Aircraft) with 4,000 rounds
Length, hull: 7.85 meters (25'-9" *F.T.M.C.)
Width: 3.05 meters (10' *F.T.M.C.)
Height: 2.735 meters (9' *F.T.M.C.)
Weight, combat: 25,000 kg (55,000 lbs. (27.5 tons) *F.T.M.C.)
Max. road speed: 105+ km/hr (62 mph *F.T.M.C.)
* F.T.M.C. = For The Metrically Challenged
 
#7
Its Italian?

How many reverse gears?
 
#8
Mr_Deputy said:
again - nice try Mr Brettarider but it probably works and is reasonably priced (coming from Italy.) Being a fan of fantastic Italian machinery you were blinded there. Its understandable.
Drat suckered again :numberone:
 
#9
Last I heard, FRES was also out of gauge for movement on rail flats. Fantastic.
 
#10
Mr_Deputy said:
because they in Whitehall are possibly indecesive, in-bred ponces who look down at chavs but yet probably have less guts and brain.
Surely we have proven designs we could swap about and come up with something.

Like a Sheridan, with better power pack, improved armour and ride and a DVD in the back for the kids

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/systems/dvic348.jpg


Or just buy it from another country who have made something clever and be done with it.

http://www.interet-general.info/IMG/France-Vehicule-Blinde-Leger-Missile-Tow-1-5.jpg
http://www.nato.int/sfor/sfor-at-work/restruct/rmcmovin/b000125u.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...BL_DSC00823.jpg/300px-French_VBL_DSC00823.jpg


etc etc etc
Shit Gun in the AP role and kicked like mule BUT a 152mm HEAT round :thumright:
 
#14
the only industry in this country where "Buy British" is still the rule, and is stupidly anti-competitive and out-dated as a result

my grandfather was at the MOD in the 1960s and procurement was a nightmare back then ffs. why has no-one grabbed them by the scruff of the neck yet?
 
#16
Mr_Deputy said:
What are the success stories?

Challenger II is good and exports a little.
Some electronics kit I imagine must be alright.
Land Rover
The Accuracy rifles
Chally 2 exports amounted to a mighty 38 in total, all to Oman. Of the current generation of MBT's, Leo2 has been exported to Holland, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Greece and prolly a few others (certainly over 1,000 export orders), M1 has been exported to Australia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia nad Kuwait (well over 1,000 total), and LeClerc to UAE (400+).
 
#18
**** it lob in a couple toshiba toughbooks and an armoured trailer for the bowman fit and you got a fres
can I have a very expensive office chair and a plasma screen now :headbang:
 
#19
In the good old days posh retards could be safely packed off to the Church. Nowadays they "work" in MoD procurement.
I mean,"Future Rapid Effects System" what window licking committee came up with that name?
Here's an idea, each Regt or corps get given a budget and go off and buy their own stuff.
 
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#20
Barclays_Banker said:
Last I heard, FRES was also out of gauge for movement on rail flats. Fantastic.
Depends on which country you mean. In Germany you can move CR2 by rail. In UK a large wheel-barrow is out of gauge.

Any fule know that!
 

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