fres bollocks

Discussion in 'Tanks, planes & ships' started by brighton hippy, Feb 21, 2007.

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  1. since 1998 MOD has managed to spend £198 million on studys for a medium armour and get jack shit
    either there trying to produce something that can't exist have the killing power and protection of chally2 but can be put in a c130
    why not build a **** of great tank carrying air ship and buy a few more warriors more likely to arrive before 2017 ffs
     
  2. The Warrior production line doesn't exist any more (sadly). To build a new one and start producing Warrior again (which would probably have to comply with Health and Safety regulations) would cost another fortune.

    The idea isn't to fit FRES into C130 but into A400M which, like FRES, doesn't exist.

    Perhaps we could deploy soldiers who don't exist to countries that don't exist in aircraft that don't exist. They can operate from vehicles that don't exist!

    Should save the Government a couple of quid.
     
  3. -ah but think of the reports that would have to be written and laptops powerpoint and plasma screens are you mad think of the cost :threaten:
    although 300 odd lav would have been quite handy grrrrr
     
  4. Sympathetic_Reaction

    Sympathetic_Reaction LE Book Reviewer

    But the fun hasn't even started yet....

    The MOD will produce a spec that is badly worded and full of inconsistent comments, which they will then use to accept the lowest bidder. They will then wait until half way through the qualification process to then change the spec, rendering the previous qualification null and void, and expect the manufacturer to include the changes and additional qualification for the original price. They will then let the item get to the production stage and someone will emerge from a small room in 'shabbey wode' and say that they don't like the colour and one of the fundamental design points was not allowed 40 years ago on a different project because someone didn't think it was a 'good idea'...hence causing the whole thing to be late and over budget.

    Like the Murphys......

    S_R

    p.s. not saying the manufacturers don't cause problems but I've been both sides of the fence (independant test and eval for MOD and manufacturing) and it's a 2 way street.
     
  5. orginal spec for sa80was 120 rounds over 24hrs wtf?
     
  6. brettarider

    brettarider On ROPs

    Always the Italian Centauro,

    [​IMG]
    Crew: 4
    Armament: 105 mm main gun with 40 rounds, 7.62 mm MG (coaxial) and 7.62 mm MG (Anti-Aircraft) with 4,000 rounds
    Length, hull: 7.85 meters (25'-9" *F.T.M.C.)
    Width: 3.05 meters (10' *F.T.M.C.)
    Height: 2.735 meters (9' *F.T.M.C.)
    Weight, combat: 25,000 kg (55,000 lbs. (27.5 tons) *F.T.M.C.)
    Max. road speed: 105+ km/hr (62 mph *F.T.M.C.)
    * F.T.M.C. = For The Metrically Challenged
     
  7. Its Italian?

    How many reverse gears?
     
  8. brettarider

    brettarider On ROPs

    Drat suckered again :numberone:
     
  9. Last I heard, FRES was also out of gauge for movement on rail flats. Fantastic.
     
  10. Shit Gun in the AP role and kicked like mule BUT a 152mm HEAT round :thumright:
     
  11. brettarider

    brettarider On ROPs

    double post
     
  12. brettarider

    brettarider On ROPs


    Set of tracks for rail/transport moves and 1 for the field....Just like the Tiger tanks..bet the tankies will love all that track bashing :thumleft:
     
  13. the only industry in this country where "Buy British" is still the rule, and is stupidly anti-competitive and out-dated as a result

    my grandfather was at the MOD in the 1960s and procurement was a nightmare back then ffs. why has no-one grabbed them by the scruff of the neck yet?
     
  14. brettarider

    brettarider On ROPs

    Scimitar and family is used by a few other countries I think