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FRES 2: The Revenge aka MIV

jrwlynch

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Oh those Russians....

“The Russian MoD says that the VDV's 7th Guards Mountain Air Assault Division will receive ~60 BMD-4M and BTR-MDM Rakushka armored vehicles on Wednesday. A standard battalion set is 31 BMD-4M and 8 BTR-MDM, so 60 is larger than normal.”

Presumably to allow for most of them being wiped out by the killer AI nanobots that just made all armoured vehicles obsolete forever?

Aren't the Russians idiots for still buying heavy metal deathtraps that will be reduced to blazing hulks by microdrones and cyber and information dominance?
 
Published by: James Pugh, Telford Business, on 24 November 2020.

Jobs boost as hundreds of armoured vehicles to be built in Telford under £860m contract

More than 200 armoured vehicles will be built in Telford as part of an £860 million contract which will support local jobs.

Defence firm RBSL will produce more than 260 Boxer military vehicles at its Hadley Park site as part of the subcontract awarded by Rheinmetall Landsysteme for the Ministry of Defence's infantry vehicle programme.


The company says the contract will "create and sustain" more than 200 skilled jobs in and around Telford, with the complete programme employing 1,000 people nationwide.

However it is not yet known how many of the 200 jobs will be new roles and how many will be filled by existing staff.

RBSL will also use the contract to provide work and training opportunities to more than 60 apprentices over the next five years, which is anticipated to be replicated across the UK supply chain.

The subcontract marks a significant milestone for the programme, following the £2.3 billion MIV contract awarded to ARTEC, the Rheinmetall and KMW consortium in December 2019.

The MIV programme aims to source 60 per cent, by value, of the contract from within the UK. In order to achieve this, RBSL is part of the MIV Joint Procurement Team, which has engaged with suppliers in England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

Proud . . .

RBSL is also making a £20m investment in its Telford site to improve infrastructure, provide state-of-the-art manufacturing facilities, and deliver some of the highest standards of training for specialist capabilities, such as welding.

Defence Minister Jeremy Quin said: “Investment in defence is an investment into British industry and this Boxer contract will create and sustain thousands of skilled jobs throughout the country over its lifetime.

"Defence contracts like this at RBSL in Telford will modernise and upgrade our armed forces whilst helping the nation build back better from the Covid-19 pandemic.”

Dr Marco Nöding, RBSL managing director, added: “RBSL’s subcontract is a great step forward after months of hard work.

Working with Rheinmetall and other partners, RBSL is bringing new skills and technologies into the business and the UK supply chain.
“I feel proud that RBSL has the opportunity to support British industry by working with UK-based suppliers – especially given the extraordinary circumstances the UK faces as a result of Covid-19.

"The next step for us is to formalise our community of suppliers and ensure the British Army receives their new vehicles manufactured to the highest standards.”

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Posted on: the "cgs-upgrading-challenger-and-warrior" thread; and, the "fres-2-the-revenge-aka-miv" thread.
 

rampant

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Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
Reading the tweets - theres some cynicism that anything made in France will be low cost.

Theres also the usual - why cant Jaguar do it - it has the same gun comments / so like Jaguar but worse etc

One poster would appear to be Suricate
 

rampant

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Reading the tweets - theres some cynicism that anything made in France will be low cost.

Theres also the usual - why cant Jaguar do it - it has the same gun comments / so like Jaguar but worse etc

One poster would appear to be Suricate

I think they are right about the low cost aspect.

But if you don't have enough Jaguars...

The other proposed varients are interesting, the flatbed mount shows flexibility, but is unrealistic. The missile armed SHORAD version looks like an interesting solution, but is ridiculously tall.
 
I think they are right about the low cost aspect.

But if you don't have enough Jaguars...

The other proposed varients are interesting, the flatbed mount shows flexibility, but is unrealistic. The missile armed SHORAD version looks like an interesting solution, but is ridiculously tall.

Both the Artillery and ADA have been poor relatives in the French forces for years.

Most of the aspects highlighted by the recent NK conflict are glaring gaps in the French army of 2020. there is a lack or an absence of:

-MBTs
-Heavy Arty/MLRS
-EW
-Gun ADA
-UAVs

The three services are all saying that peer competition and high intensity warfare are returning but they keep on focusing on expeditionary warfare because that is were POL masters want results and light equipment are cheaper.

The FRA ChOD knows all this and has said time and again that there is still a lot to be done; the CGS has recently added that stockpiling ammo and spare parts is as essential as buying new equipment if one is serious about high intensity
 
Oh those Russians....

“The Russian MoD says that the VDV's 7th Guards Mountain Air Assault Division will receive ~60 BMD-4M and BTR-MDM Rakushka armored vehicles on Wednesday. A standard battalion set is 31 BMD-4M and 8 BTR-MDM, so 60 is larger than normal.”

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I recall a group of trucks going in to UKR with almost no loads and with a lot of empty vehicles. The excuse was 'they are unreliable so we have spares' -- however it turned out that they were all packed full on the way back, after looting the armaments industries of the Donbass border area. So where are these lot off to?
 

rampant

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Book Reviewer
Both the Artillery and ADA have been poor relatives in the French forces for years.

Most of the aspects highlighted by the recent NK conflict are glaring gaps in the French army of 2020. there is a lack or an absence of:

-MBTs
-Heavy Arty/MLRS
-EW
-Gun ADA
-UAVs

The three services are all saying that peer competition and high intensity warfare are returning but they keep on focusing on expeditionary warfare because that is were POL masters want results and light equipment are cheaper.

The FRA ChOD knows all this and has said time and again that there is still a lot to be done; the CGS has recently added that stockpiling ammo and spare parts is as essential as buying new equipment if one is serious about high intensity

For what it's worth I think Rapidfire is the perfect solution for the drone threat.
 

Bubbles_Barker

LE
Book Reviewer
Both the Artillery and ADA have been poor relatives in the French forces for years.

Most of the aspects highlighted by the recent NK conflict are glaring gaps in the French army of 2020. there is a lack or an absence of:

-MBTs
-Heavy Arty/MLRS
-EW
-Gun ADA
-UAVs

The three services are all saying that peer competition and high intensity warfare are returning but they keep on focusing on expeditionary warfare because that is were POL masters want results and light equipment are cheaper.

The FRA ChOD knows all this and has said time and again that there is still a lot to be done; the CGS has recently added that stockpiling ammo and spare parts is as essential as buying new equipment if one is serious about high intensity

Spares ??!! Ammo ??!! What crazy talk is this? IIRC the British plan is simply to order the required bits and pieces from Amazon, just before use . . .
 

Bubbles_Barker

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Book Reviewer
Oh those Russians....

“The Russian MoD says that the VDV's 7th Guards Mountain Air Assault Division will receive ~60 BMD-4M and BTR-MDM Rakushka armored vehicles on Wednesday. A standard battalion set is 31 BMD-4M and 8 BTR-MDM, so 60 is larger than normal.”

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Oooooh....the Russians said 'it was larger than normal'.....

@PhotEx's keyboard must be in a right state. I wonder if the State provides him with new hardware when he's finished?
 

bob231

War Hero
Spares ??!! Ammo ??!! What crazy talk is this? IIRC the British plan is simply to order the required bits and pieces from Amazon, just before use . . .
Having previously clearly and precisely identified scale and timing of all needs, as one naturally does for just-in-time management.
 

Bubbles_Barker

LE
Book Reviewer
Spares ??!! Ammo ??!! What crazy talk is this? IIRC the British plan is simply to order the required bits and pieces from Amazon, just before use . . .
There's plenty of spares and plenty of ammo - if only the Army (and t'other Services) knew how to forecast and demand appropriately.

They don't hence huge waste in the munitions procurement sector.

**** all to do with JiT, the customer sets the requirement, remember, not the supplier?

ETA: Damn! Beaten to it by @bob231
 
There's plenty of spares and plenty of ammo - if only the Army (and t'other Services) knew how to forecast and demand appropriately.

They don't hence huge waste in the munitions procurement sector.

**** all to do with JiT, the customer sets the requirement, remember, not the supplier?

ETA: Damn! Beaten to it by @bob231

Didn't we try to get hold of ,155HE during Granby only to be told to do one by the Beligians ?
 
Didn't we try to get hold of ,155HE during Granby only to be told to do one by the Beligians ?

I reacall a newspaper article about belgians refusing to supply ammo - but what it was and whther it was Granby or 2003 I couldnt say.
 

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