Frenchperson and Statistics

#1
frenchperson said:
Outrage is a bit over the top isn't it?

After all, he was merely making a sober point. And qualified it by insisting he wasn't calling for such an attack and would report it to the authorities if he got wind of it.

He said he could understand it, which I could if for example, my family had been wiped out in the name of 'democracy'.

How many assassinations have the CIA been involved in down the years? Less mock shock horror please.
Hey Frenchy, stick a sock in it.
 
#2
Another complete boll**ks post by frenchy. Get your own secret services in order before slagging of others. As for Galloways comments, I am no fan of Bliar, but his comments are tantermount to inciting terrorism. Arrest him and send him to cuba I say, Im sure the CIA have some flights from Heathrow
 
#3
drain_sniffer said:
Another complete boll**ks post by frenchy. Get your own secret services in order before slagging of others. As for Galloways comments, I am no fan of Bliar, but his comments are tantermount to inciting terrorism. Arrest him and send him to cuba I say, Im sure the CIA have some flights from Heathrow

Who's going to arrest him? Given that he's in Cuba now. Rendition that....
 
#4
frenchperson said:
Number Crunching
Palestinian contribution to Jerusalem's municipal taxes: 33%
Jerusalem municipal spending in Palestinian areas: 8%
Wrong!

Honest Number Crunching
Palestinian contribution to Jerusalem's population: 33%
Palestinian contribution to Jerusalem's municipal taxes: NIS 89 million = 2.5%
Jerusalem municipal spending budget total: NIS 3,457 million
Jerusalem municipal spending in Palestinian areas: NIS 300 million = 8%
Last audited accounts 2003.

If you're going to make a political statement, at least try and be accurate. The 'honest' figures are just as 'bad'.
 
#5
merkator said:
frenchperson said:
Number Crunching
Palestinian contribution to Jerusalem's municipal taxes: 33%
Jerusalem municipal spending in Palestinian areas: 8%
Wrong!

Honest Number Crunching
Palestinian contribution to Jerusalem's population: 33%
Palestinian contribution to Jerusalem's municipal taxes: NIS 89 million = 2.5%
Jerusalem municipal spending budget total: NIS 3,457 million
Jerusalem municipal spending in Palestinian areas: NIS 300 million = 8%
Last audited accounts 2003.

If you're going to make a political statement, at least try and be accurate. The 'honest' figures are just as 'bad'.
Well done Merkator! :D


Looks as though Frenchy you just got your arrse spanked. Smarts a little, however an attention getter 8)

fastmedic
 
#7
frenchperson said:
I trust the moderator, if he's true to his word, will be removing the above way off topic posts!
He may also ask you to start telling the truth... I mean, why would he want to delete accurate figures whilst leaving your falsehoods alone?

Information is extracted from the book Discrimination in the Heart of the Holy City, (International Peace and Co-operation Centre, Jerusalem, 2006) by Meir Margalit an Israeli peace activist and former city councillor. pdf file of entire book here: http://www.ipcc-jerusalem.org/menu/publications-detailed/Discrimination in the Holy City/book-hw.pdf or pdf file of relevant chapter here: http://www.ipcc-jerusalem.org/menu/publications-detailed/Discrimination in the Holy City/part 2.pdf
 
#8
merkator said:
frenchperson said:
I trust the moderator, if he's true to his word, will be removing the above way off topic posts!
He may also ask you to start telling the truth... I mean, why would he want to delete accurate figures whilst leaving your falsehoods alone?

Information is extracted from the book Discrimination in the Heart of the Holy City, (International Peace and Co-operation Centre, Jerusalem, 2006) by Meir Margalit an Israeli peace activist and former city councillor. pdf file of entire book here: http://www.ipcc-jerusalem.org/menu/publications-detailed/Discrimination in the Holy City/book-hw.pdf or pdf file of relevant chapter here: http://www.ipcc-jerusalem.org/menu/publications-detailed/Discrimination in the Holy City/part 2.pdf
Here's a quote from the publication at the second link:

Data produced by Town Hall should be viewed with caution. Meiron Benvenisti, who served as Deputy Mayor under Teddy Kolleck, writes that Municipality reports should be treated as "a political statement rather than a reliable measuring tool for analytical purposes". He moreover alleges that the Municipality manipulates the data, which sometimes serve "to gloss over unpleasant facts". Therefore, tracking Municipal investment in East Jerusalem is somewhat problematic for a number of professional and political reasons. There are then six different reasons listed for why anybody wishing to assess the flow of funds to East Jerusalem faces a daunting task.



Sorry to cast doubt upon your version of the truth.
 
#9
frenchperson said:
merkator said:
frenchperson said:
I trust the moderator, if he's true to his word, will be removing the above way off topic posts!
He may also ask you to start telling the truth... I mean, why would he want to delete accurate figures whilst leaving your falsehoods alone?

Information is extracted from the book Discrimination in the Heart of the Holy City, (International Peace and Co-operation Centre, Jerusalem, 2006) by Meir Margalit an Israeli peace activist and former city councillor. pdf file of entire book here: http://www.ipcc-jerusalem.org/menu/publications-detailed/Discrimination in the Holy City/book-hw.pdf or pdf file of relevant chapter here: http://www.ipcc-jerusalem.org/menu/publications-detailed/Discrimination in the Holy City/part 2.pdf
Here's a quote from the publication at the second link:

Data produced by Town Hall should be viewed with caution. Meiron Benvenisti, who served as Deputy Mayor under Teddy Kolleck, writes that Municipality reports should be treated as "a political statement rather than a reliable measuring tool for analytical purposes". He moreover alleges that the Municipality manipulates the data, which sometimes serve "to gloss over unpleasant facts". Therefore, tracking Municipal investment in East Jerusalem is somewhat problematic for a number of professional and political reasons. There are then six different reasons listed for why anybody wishing to assess the flow of funds to East Jerusalem faces a daunting task.



Sorry to cast doubt upon your version of the truth.
You have cast doubt on Merkators info, can you back yours up with a link and/or reference :?:
 
#10
Priam said:
frenchperson said:
merkator said:
frenchperson said:
I trust the moderator, if he's true to his word, will be removing the above way off topic posts!
He may also ask you to start telling the truth... I mean, why would he want to delete accurate figures whilst leaving your falsehoods alone?

Information is extracted from the book Discrimination in the Heart of the Holy City, (International Peace and Co-operation Centre, Jerusalem, 2006) by Meir Margalit an Israeli peace activist and former city councillor. pdf file of entire book here: http://www.ipcc-jerusalem.org/menu/publications-detailed/Discrimination in the Holy City/book-hw.pdf or pdf file of relevant chapter here: http://www.ipcc-jerusalem.org/menu/publications-detailed/Discrimination in the Holy City/part 2.pdf
Here's a quote from the publication at the second link:

Data produced by Town Hall should be viewed with caution. Meiron Benvenisti, who served as Deputy Mayor under Teddy Kolleck, writes that Municipality reports should be treated as "a political statement rather than a reliable measuring tool for analytical purposes". He moreover alleges that the Municipality manipulates the data, which sometimes serve "to gloss over unpleasant facts". Therefore, tracking Municipal investment in East Jerusalem is somewhat problematic for a number of professional and political reasons. There are then six different reasons listed for why anybody wishing to assess the flow of funds to East Jerusalem faces a daunting task.



Sorry to cast doubt upon your version of the truth.
You have cast doubt on Merkators info, can you back yours up with a link and/or reference :?:
My version of the truth is on Page 6 of here:

http://www.map-uk.org/images/content/File/Documents/Newsletters/Witness May 2006.pdf
 
#11
[img]http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/bread.gif[/img] said:
Now, let's look at your 'evidence'.

The document you link to is published by MAP - Medical Aid for Palestinians - and appears on their own website. The headline information you use is supported by two references: an ICG report and a "suppressed" EU report.
1. You can read the ICG report here: http://www.cmep.org/SharedJER/ICG_Jerusalem_powder_keg.pdf There is no mention of municipality budgets and spending.
2. The "suppressed" EU report can be read here: http://www.icahd.org/eng/news.asp?menu=5&submenu=1&item=285 It contains the following:
The Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions claims that while Palestinians contribute 33% of the municipality’s taxes, in return it spends only 8% of its budget in Palestinian areas. The exact figures are hard to assess, but discrimination in expenditure is obvious.
So, the "surpressed" EU report repeats a "claim" by the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions on whose website the "suppressed" report appears.

So far
, your 'evidence' is just a "claim" by the ICAHD which appeared in a "suppressed" EU report. Hmmmmm!

Now ask yourself this, where did the ICAHD get their information from? Was it, by chance, from the book Discrimination in the Heart of the Holy City and deliberately extracted data to distort the 'truth'? Who is one of the main contributors to ICAHD? Meir Margalit. Is this the same Meir Margalit who wrote Discrimination in the Heart of the Holy City? Hmmmm! Let's see.

Meir Margalit is a former member of the Jerusalem City Council and Field Coordinator of the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions.

See here: http://www.pij.org/authors.php?id=129
So, if ...

[img]http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/bread.gif[/img] said:
Here's a quote from the publication at the second link: Data produced by Town Hall should be viewed with caution. Meiron Benvenisti, who served as Deputy Mayor under Teddy Kolleck, writes that Municipality reports should be treated as "a political statement rather than a reliable measuring tool for analytical purposes". He moreover alleges that the Municipality manipulates the data, which sometimes serve "to gloss over unpleasant facts".
... the data I use is inadequate, then so is yours.

Since the source of the information is the same, the only difference is that my information comes from the 'horse's mouth' and is quite comprehensive, and yours comes distorted 3rd/4th hand. Nuff said!

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Number Crunching
Palestinian contribution to Jerusalem's municipal taxes: NIS 89 million
Jerusalem municipal spending in Palestinian areas: NIS 301 million
 

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