French vs British infantry?

#1
Exactly who was better


Somebody do a final tally of these British -French battles for me

June 1743 Dettingen - German-Britishvictory
May 1745 Fontenoy French victory -
Oct 1746 Roucoux French victory -
July 1747 Lauffeldt French victory -
Nov 1747 Berge-op-Zoom French victory -
1748 Maastricht French victory -
July 1754 Fort Necessity French-Indianvictory -
July 1755 Monongahela River French-Indianvictory -
Aug 1756 Oswego French victory -
July 1757 Hastenbeck French victory -
Hannoverian-German-British army
led by the Duke of Cumberland,
son of King George II of Great Britain.
Aug 1757 Fort William Henry French victory -
Jun 1758 Louisbourg - British victory
Jul 1758 Ticonderoga French victory -
April 1759 Bergen French-Saxonvictory -
June 1759 Fort Niagara - British-Indian
Aug 1759 Minden - German-British
Sep 1759 Quebec - British victory
April 1760 Sainte Foy French : 2,500 regulars 2,500 militia, 3 guns
British : 3,800 regulars, no militia, 27 guns
French casualties: 833,
British casualties: 1,088 French victory
Sep 1760 Montreal - British victory
Oct 1781 Yorktown American-Frenchvictory -
May-Aug 1793 Siege of Valenciennes - Austrian-Hannov.-British victory
Aug-Dec 1793 Toulon French victory -
6-8 Sep 1793 Hondeschoote French victory -
17-18 May 1794 Tourcoing French victory -
22 Aug 1798 Killala Bay French victory -
27 Aug 1798 Castlebar French victory -
5 Sep 1798 Callooney French victory -
8 Sep 1798 Ballinamuck French victory ? -
12 Oct 1798 Donnegal - British
19 Sep 1799 Bergen Op Zoom French victory -
2 Oct 1799 Bergen op Zoom - Russian-British
6 Oct 1799 Casstricum French victory -
20 March 1801 Canopus - British
6 July 1806 Maida - British
15 Aug 1808 Rolica - British-Portug.
21 Aug 1808 Vimeiro - British-Portug.
21 Dec 1808 Sahagun - British
29 Dec 1808 Benevente - British
16 Jan 1809 Coruna French victory -
12 May 1809 Oporto - British
27 June 1809 Casa de Salinas French victory -
16 July 1809 Flushing - British
28-29 July 1809 Talavera - British-Spanish
July-Dec 1809 Walcheren French victory -
16-24 May 1810 Siege of Mequinenza French victory -
10 July 1810 Barquilla French victory -
24 July 1810 Coa River French victory
Ney defeated Craufurd. -
11 Aug 1810 Villagarcia French victory -
27 Sep 1810 Bussaco The Brit-Portug. repelled the French
but were nevertheless forced to withdraw.
According to Jac Weller Busaco was
"a technical defeat [for the British]
although claimed as victory" -
13 Oct 1810 Fuengirola Polish-French
victory -
5 March 1811 Barossa - British
11-15 March 1811 Series of skirmishes at:
Pombal, Redinha, Casal Novo,
Foz do Arouce - British-Allies
25 March 1811 Campo Mayor - British
29 March 1811 Guarda - British
3 April 1811 Sabugal - British-Portug.
April 1811 2nd Siege of Olivenza - British
April-May 1811 Blockade of Almeida French victory -
April-May 1811 2nd Siege of Badajoz French victory -
5 May 1811 Fuentes de Onoro French
The French claimed victory, because they
won the passage at Poco Velho, cleared the
wood, turned the British right flank,
obliged the cavalry to retire, and forced
Wellington to relinquish 3 miles of ground.
"Fuentes d'Onoro: Massena battered the
daylights out of Wellington and his army,
turned the Anglo-Portuguese right and
drove them back in some confusion, and
then successfully sprang the garrison
at Almeida - doubtless the object of the
battle = Imperial victory."
(- H.Muir on napoleon-series.org forum) British-Portug.
The British also claimed victory
because the village of Fuentes was
in their hands. The French troops,
without being in any manner molested,
retired.
16 May 1811 Albuera British commander Beresford was certain
he was defeated. Wellington's reaction
to Beresford's account was: "Write me down
a victory". In strategic terms it was
a defeat for the British, since it
forced Wellington to give up the rest
of the 1811 campaign. Stalemate
British casualties 6,000
French casualties were 5.936
25 May 1811 Usagre - British
May-June 1811 3rd Siege of Badajoz French victory -
June 1811 Operations around
Almeida French victory -
22 June 1811 Elvas French victory -
25 Sep 1811 Carpio de Azaba - British
25 Sep 1811 El Bodon French victory.
Wellington was caught too dispersed by
Marmont and was driven back several
miles in disorder. -
27 Sep 1811 Aldea da Ponte - -
28 Oct 1811 Arroyo dos Molinos - British-Portug.
29 Dec 1811 Membrillo French victory -
Dec 1811 - Jan 1812 Siege of Tarifa - British-Portug.
Jan 1812 Siege of Ciudad Rodrigo - British-Portug.
March-April 1812 4th Siege of Badajoz - British-Portug.
11 April 1812 Villagarcia French victory -
18 May 1812 Almaraz - British
11 June 1812 Maguilla French victory -
June 1812 Siege of Salamanca
Forts - British
21 June 1812 Lequeito - British
July 1812 Siege of Castro - British
18 July 1812 Castrejon French victory -
18 July 1812 Castrillo - British
22 July 1812 Salamanca - British-Portug.
-Spanish
July-Aug 1812 Siege of Santander - British
23 July 1812 Garcia Hernandez - British
11 Aug 1812 Malajahonda French victory -
Sep-Oct 1812 Siege of Burgos French victory.
They forced the British to withdraw
all the way back to Portugal and
give up Madrid. -
23 Oct 1812 Venta del Pozo French victory -
25 Oct 1812 Villa Muriel French victory -
28 (23 ?) Oct 1812 Villadrigo - British
28 Oct 1812 Tordesillas French victory -
30 Oct 1812 Puente Larga - British
10-11 Nov 1812 Alba de Tormes - British
17 Nov 1812 San Munoz French victory -
20 Feb 1813 Bejar - British
12-13 April 1813 skirmishes at:
Biar and Castalla - British-Allies
2 June 1813 Morales - British
June 1813 Siege of Tarragona French victory -
18 June 1813 skirmishes at:
Osma and San Milan - British-Allies
21 June 1813 Vittoria - British-Portug.
-Spanish
24 June 1813 Villafranca French victory -
26 June 1813 Tolosa - British
25 July 1813 Roncesvalles French victory -
25 July 1813 Maya French victory -
July-Aug 1813 Siege of San Sebastian French-Allies
victory -
26-28 July 1813 Sorauren French-Allies
victory -
30 July-1 Aug 1813 Sorauren - British
July-Aug 1813 Blockade of Tarragona French victory -
31 July - 1 Aug 1813 series of skirmishes at :
Venta de Urroz,
Sumbilla and Yanzi - British-Spanish
2 Aug 1813 Lizaso French victory -
31 Aug 1813 San Marcial - Spanish-British
Aug-Sep 1813 Siege of San Sebastian - British
13-14 Sep 1813 skirmishes at:
Ordal and Villafranca French victory -
7 Oct 1813 Bidassoa - British, Germans
Portug.
7 Oct 1813 Vera French victory -
10 Nov 1813 Nivelle - British
9-13 Dec 1813 series of skirmishes at:
Villefranque, Nive, Anglet,
Arcangues, Barrouillet and
St. Pierre - British-Allies
16 Jan 1814 Molins de Rey French victory -
Feb-April 1814 Siege of Bayonne French victory -
15-25 Feb 1814 series of skirmishes at:
Garris, Arriverayte
and S. Etienne - British-Allies
27 Feb 1814 Orthez - British
8 March 1814 Bergen op Zoom French victory -
17 March 1814 Daunia's Raid French victory -
19 March 1814 Vic-Bigorre French victory -
20-24 March 1814 skirmishes at:
Tarbes and Etauliers - British-Allies
8 April 1814 Croix de Orade - British
10 April 1814 Toulouse draw
The French call it their victory.
They lost only 3.200
draw
The British call it their victrory.
The British-Spanish casualties 4.500
14 April 1814 Bayonne French victory -
16 June 1815 Quatre Bras draw ? victory ?
The French troops
stayed on the battlefield.
They lost only 4.000 draw ? defeat ?
Wellington retreated after battle
and failed in joining Blucher.
Casualties 4.800, heavier than French.
17 June 1815 Genappe French victory -
18 June 1815 Waterloo - German-British-Netherland victory

64 France 60 UK

Note that most of the British victories include other allies helping...

If you were to take into effect the American victories over the British during the 1775-1815 time period,
you get the following numbers


American Victories 1775-1783
61 land victories to the British 56

1812 War
US 62 victories (26 on sea)
UK 38 victories (16 on sea , 4 ties)
 
#2
Fuck off you dull foreign cunt and go troll elsewhere.......
 
#4
Fuck off you dull foreign cunt and go troll elsewhere.......

this isnt trolling...this is anti narcissim
Narcissim, something which you love to enjoy so well in your country.

American Victories 1775-1783
61 land victories to the British 56

1812 War
US 62 victories (26 on sea)
UK 38 victories (16 on sea , 4 ties)
 
#5
Why hasnt the MOD's deleted this cunts account and banned his IP address?
 
#9
Put it plainly:

Wars fought against France since 1066: 35. We've won 23; they've won 11. Mutual defeats: 1 (American War of Independence). Not to mention half the world speaking English not French. I myself am a "colonial"

Now go do one.

But before you do that, have a good read of this to get a grip of French military prowess:
Text / The Complete Military History of France
 
#11
But before you do that, have a good read of this to get a grip of French military prowess:
Text / The Complete Military History of France
This is revisionism at its worst. :evil:

- French Revolution
- Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.
WRONG! The French (Government) LOST to the french in the French Revolution, and to french peasants at that. How humiliating can it get?

- World War I
- Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States
WRONG! The French would have LOST if the Brits hadn't been there to stave off the Germans. The US arrival is arguably the icing on the cake, as the Brits had developed the means and tactics to put mobile warfare back on the menu. With the Americans plugging the gaps in the rear area left by the advancing Allies, the Germans recognized that they were out resourced and did the sensible thing.

The French had got so fed up with losing to the Germans that, in 1917, some of them felt they had no choice but to attack the only people they felt certain they could achieve some small measure of victory against ... that's right, the French and even then they lost (
French Army Mutinies (1917) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). They tried the same trick in WW2, splitting up into the Vichy French and Free French . Amazingly, even with German support, the French still lost to the French.

- Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein."
Millions of French women already knew that by the good graces of the British Tommy and their Imperial Australian, Kiwi, Indian and Canadian counterparts (although obviously there was probably some french-on-french with the last mentioned).


- Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.
Even without the condoms, it would have been a drop in the ocean. As we discovered the hard way, it takes a lot longer than a mere 4 years to dilute 'frenchness' as we weren't thorough enough in ensuring brothers never met their sisters (and not issuing the Québécois with enough condoms).


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As this isn't NAAFI, I suppose I should add the obligatory statement that there were actually some damn fine fighting French men and women who deserve the respect and admiration of warriors everywhere. :salut:

But as I'm a Brit, I must add the obligatory codicil that nobody knows who they are. :wink:
 
#12
We won the ones we cared about.
 
#17
I just posted on your other thread. My reply seems to apply here as well:

0311, are you 14 years old? You see, most people over the course of their lives come to the mature realisation that no one nation is any 'harder' or 'tougher' than any other. You win some, you lose some. With over 300 years of history, fighting campaigns in every corner of the globe, the British Army has had more than enough of both. By any objective standard, we haven't done too badly over the years.

And by the way, if you become so consumed with hatred of a country that you spend hours researching and typing out cherry-picked negative history about it, you can safely consider yourself a very silly little man.
 
#19
The frogs still want their beloved Eagle of the 45e back.......fcukin wingers.
Wouldn't surprise me if the treaty cameron signed included them getting it back.

The one and only thing I envy about the french, They still have their OWN indigenious Military/Industrial production....grrrrr.
 
#20
The frogs still want their beloved Eagle of the 45e back.......fcukin wingers.
Wouldn't surprise me if the treaty cameron signed included them getting it back.

The one and only thing I envy about the french, They still have their OWN indigenious Military/Industrial production....grrrrr.
No they dont as far as I know ,GIAT and the likes have gone!
 

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