French vs British infantry?

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  1. Exactly who was better


    Somebody do a final tally of these British -French battles for me

    June 1743 Dettingen - German-Britishvictory
    May 1745 Fontenoy French victory -
    Oct 1746 Roucoux French victory -
    July 1747 Lauffeldt French victory -
    Nov 1747 Berge-op-Zoom French victory -
    1748 Maastricht French victory -
    July 1754 Fort Necessity French-Indianvictory -
    July 1755 Monongahela River French-Indianvictory -
    Aug 1756 Oswego French victory -
    July 1757 Hastenbeck French victory -
    Hannoverian-German-British army
    led by the Duke of Cumberland,
    son of King George II of Great Britain.
    Aug 1757 Fort William Henry French victory -
    Jun 1758 Louisbourg - British victory
    Jul 1758 Ticonderoga French victory -
    April 1759 Bergen French-Saxonvictory -
    June 1759 Fort Niagara - British-Indian
    Aug 1759 Minden - German-British
    Sep 1759 Quebec - British victory
    April 1760 Sainte Foy French : 2,500 regulars 2,500 militia, 3 guns
    British : 3,800 regulars, no militia, 27 guns
    French casualties: 833,
    British casualties: 1,088 French victory
    Sep 1760 Montreal - British victory
    Oct 1781 Yorktown American-Frenchvictory -
    May-Aug 1793 Siege of Valenciennes - Austrian-Hannov.-British victory
    Aug-Dec 1793 Toulon French victory -
    6-8 Sep 1793 Hondeschoote French victory -
    17-18 May 1794 Tourcoing French victory -
    22 Aug 1798 Killala Bay French victory -
    27 Aug 1798 Castlebar French victory -
    5 Sep 1798 Callooney French victory -
    8 Sep 1798 Ballinamuck French victory ? -
    12 Oct 1798 Donnegal - British
    19 Sep 1799 Bergen Op Zoom French victory -
    2 Oct 1799 Bergen op Zoom - Russian-British
    6 Oct 1799 Casstricum French victory -
    20 March 1801 Canopus - British
    6 July 1806 Maida - British
    15 Aug 1808 Rolica - British-Portug.
    21 Aug 1808 Vimeiro - British-Portug.
    21 Dec 1808 Sahagun - British
    29 Dec 1808 Benevente - British
    16 Jan 1809 Coruna French victory -
    12 May 1809 Oporto - British
    27 June 1809 Casa de Salinas French victory -
    16 July 1809 Flushing - British
    28-29 July 1809 Talavera - British-Spanish
    July-Dec 1809 Walcheren French victory -
    16-24 May 1810 Siege of Mequinenza French victory -
    10 July 1810 Barquilla French victory -
    24 July 1810 Coa River French victory
    Ney defeated Craufurd. -
    11 Aug 1810 Villagarcia French victory -
    27 Sep 1810 Bussaco The Brit-Portug. repelled the French
    but were nevertheless forced to withdraw.
    According to Jac Weller Busaco was
    "a technical defeat [for the British]
    although claimed as victory" -
    13 Oct 1810 Fuengirola Polish-French
    victory -
    5 March 1811 Barossa - British
    11-15 March 1811 Series of skirmishes at:
    Pombal, Redinha, Casal Novo,
    Foz do Arouce - British-Allies
    25 March 1811 Campo Mayor - British
    29 March 1811 Guarda - British
    3 April 1811 Sabugal - British-Portug.
    April 1811 2nd Siege of Olivenza - British
    April-May 1811 Blockade of Almeida French victory -
    April-May 1811 2nd Siege of Badajoz French victory -
    5 May 1811 Fuentes de Onoro French
    The French claimed victory, because they
    won the passage at Poco Velho, cleared the
    wood, turned the British right flank,
    obliged the cavalry to retire, and forced
    Wellington to relinquish 3 miles of ground.
    "Fuentes d'Onoro: Massena battered the
    daylights out of Wellington and his army,
    turned the Anglo-Portuguese right and
    drove them back in some confusion, and
    then successfully sprang the garrison
    at Almeida - doubtless the object of the
    battle = Imperial victory."
    (- H.Muir on napoleon-series.org forum) British-Portug.
    The British also claimed victory
    because the village of Fuentes was
    in their hands. The French troops,
    without being in any manner molested,
    retired.
    16 May 1811 Albuera British commander Beresford was certain
    he was defeated. Wellington's reaction
    to Beresford's account was: "Write me down
    a victory". In strategic terms it was
    a defeat for the British, since it
    forced Wellington to give up the rest
    of the 1811 campaign. Stalemate
    British casualties 6,000
    French casualties were 5.936
    25 May 1811 Usagre - British
    May-June 1811 3rd Siege of Badajoz French victory -
    June 1811 Operations around
    Almeida French victory -
    22 June 1811 Elvas French victory -
    25 Sep 1811 Carpio de Azaba - British
    25 Sep 1811 El Bodon French victory.
    Wellington was caught too dispersed by
    Marmont and was driven back several
    miles in disorder. -
    27 Sep 1811 Aldea da Ponte - -
    28 Oct 1811 Arroyo dos Molinos - British-Portug.
    29 Dec 1811 Membrillo French victory -
    Dec 1811 - Jan 1812 Siege of Tarifa - British-Portug.
    Jan 1812 Siege of Ciudad Rodrigo - British-Portug.
    March-April 1812 4th Siege of Badajoz - British-Portug.
    11 April 1812 Villagarcia French victory -
    18 May 1812 Almaraz - British
    11 June 1812 Maguilla French victory -
    June 1812 Siege of Salamanca
    Forts - British
    21 June 1812 Lequeito - British
    July 1812 Siege of Castro - British
    18 July 1812 Castrejon French victory -
    18 July 1812 Castrillo - British
    22 July 1812 Salamanca - British-Portug.
    -Spanish
    July-Aug 1812 Siege of Santander - British
    23 July 1812 Garcia Hernandez - British
    11 Aug 1812 Malajahonda French victory -
    Sep-Oct 1812 Siege of Burgos French victory.
    They forced the British to withdraw
    all the way back to Portugal and
    give up Madrid. -
    23 Oct 1812 Venta del Pozo French victory -
    25 Oct 1812 Villa Muriel French victory -
    28 (23 ?) Oct 1812 Villadrigo - British
    28 Oct 1812 Tordesillas French victory -
    30 Oct 1812 Puente Larga - British
    10-11 Nov 1812 Alba de Tormes - British
    17 Nov 1812 San Munoz French victory -
    20 Feb 1813 Bejar - British
    12-13 April 1813 skirmishes at:
    Biar and Castalla - British-Allies
    2 June 1813 Morales - British
    June 1813 Siege of Tarragona French victory -
    18 June 1813 skirmishes at:
    Osma and San Milan - British-Allies
    21 June 1813 Vittoria - British-Portug.
    -Spanish
    24 June 1813 Villafranca French victory -
    26 June 1813 Tolosa - British
    25 July 1813 Roncesvalles French victory -
    25 July 1813 Maya French victory -
    July-Aug 1813 Siege of San Sebastian French-Allies
    victory -
    26-28 July 1813 Sorauren French-Allies
    victory -
    30 July-1 Aug 1813 Sorauren - British
    July-Aug 1813 Blockade of Tarragona French victory -
    31 July - 1 Aug 1813 series of skirmishes at :
    Venta de Urroz,
    Sumbilla and Yanzi - British-Spanish
    2 Aug 1813 Lizaso French victory -
    31 Aug 1813 San Marcial - Spanish-British
    Aug-Sep 1813 Siege of San Sebastian - British
    13-14 Sep 1813 skirmishes at:
    Ordal and Villafranca French victory -
    7 Oct 1813 Bidassoa - British, Germans
    Portug.
    7 Oct 1813 Vera French victory -
    10 Nov 1813 Nivelle - British
    9-13 Dec 1813 series of skirmishes at:
    Villefranque, Nive, Anglet,
    Arcangues, Barrouillet and
    St. Pierre - British-Allies
    16 Jan 1814 Molins de Rey French victory -
    Feb-April 1814 Siege of Bayonne French victory -
    15-25 Feb 1814 series of skirmishes at:
    Garris, Arriverayte
    and S. Etienne - British-Allies
    27 Feb 1814 Orthez - British
    8 March 1814 Bergen op Zoom French victory -
    17 March 1814 Daunia's Raid French victory -
    19 March 1814 Vic-Bigorre French victory -
    20-24 March 1814 skirmishes at:
    Tarbes and Etauliers - British-Allies
    8 April 1814 Croix de Orade - British
    10 April 1814 Toulouse draw
    The French call it their victory.
    They lost only 3.200
    draw
    The British call it their victrory.
    The British-Spanish casualties 4.500
    14 April 1814 Bayonne French victory -
    16 June 1815 Quatre Bras draw ? victory ?
    The French troops
    stayed on the battlefield.
    They lost only 4.000 draw ? defeat ?
    Wellington retreated after battle
    and failed in joining Blucher.
    Casualties 4.800, heavier than French.
    17 June 1815 Genappe French victory -
    18 June 1815 Waterloo - German-British-Netherland victory

    64 France 60 UK

    Note that most of the British victories include other allies helping...

    If you were to take into effect the American victories over the British during the 1775-1815 time period,
    you get the following numbers


    American Victories 1775-1783
    61 land victories to the British 56

    1812 War
    US 62 victories (26 on sea)
    UK 38 victories (16 on sea , 4 ties)
     
  2. Fuck off you dull foreign cunt and go troll elsewhere.......
     
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  3. Can't even do his own trolling, but has to cut-and-paste it. Badly.
     

  4. this isnt trolling...this is anti narcissim
    Narcissim, something which you love to enjoy so well in your country.

    American Victories 1775-1783
    61 land victories to the British 56

    1812 War
    US 62 victories (26 on sea)
    UK 38 victories (16 on sea , 4 ties)
     
  5. Why hasnt the MOD's deleted this cunts account and banned his IP address?
     
  6. There were so many British defeats I HAD to copy and paste, thats how bad it was.
    Theres so many its like spamming.
     

  7. budget cuts in that department
     
  8. Oh, not again!

    Do hook it old boy!
     
  9. Put it plainly:

    Wars fought against France since 1066: 35. We've won 23; they've won 11. Mutual defeats: 1 (American War of Independence). Not to mention half the world speaking English not French. I myself am a "colonial"

    Now go do one.

    But before you do that, have a good read of this to get a grip of French military prowess:
    Text / The Complete Military History of France
     
  10. Which Country bothered Germany in 1940 most? Wasn't some garlic smelling conscript!
     
  11. This is revisionism at its worst. :evil:

    - French Revolution
    - Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.
    WRONG! The French (Government) LOST to the french in the French Revolution, and to french peasants at that. How humiliating can it get?

    - World War I
    - Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States
    WRONG! The French would have LOST if the Brits hadn't been there to stave off the Germans. The US arrival is arguably the icing on the cake, as the Brits had developed the means and tactics to put mobile warfare back on the menu. With the Americans plugging the gaps in the rear area left by the advancing Allies, the Germans recognized that they were out resourced and did the sensible thing.

    The French had got so fed up with losing to the Germans that, in 1917, some of them felt they had no choice but to attack the only people they felt certain they could achieve some small measure of victory against ... that's right, the French and even then they lost (
    French Army Mutinies (1917) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). They tried the same trick in WW2, splitting up into the Vichy French and Free French . Amazingly, even with German support, the French still lost to the French.

    - Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein."
    Millions of French women already knew that by the good graces of the British Tommy and their Imperial Australian, Kiwi, Indian and Canadian counterparts (although obviously there was probably some french-on-french with the last mentioned).


    - Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.
    Even without the condoms, it would have been a drop in the ocean. As we discovered the hard way, it takes a lot longer than a mere 4 years to dilute 'frenchness' as we weren't thorough enough in ensuring brothers never met their sisters (and not issuing the Québécois with enough condoms).


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    As this isn't NAAFI, I suppose I should add the obligatory statement that there were actually some damn fine fighting French men and women who deserve the respect and admiration of warriors everywhere. :salut:

    But as I'm a Brit, I must add the obligatory codicil that nobody knows who they are. :wink:
     
  12. We won the ones we cared about.
     
  13. Steady on now chaps, I'm willing to give our chum the benefit of the doubt for the moment.
     
  14. Here are a few you missed!!!!
     

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  15. Ive worked with French regular infantry , what a bunch of pretentious light weight sloppy cnuts, fact.