French to stay in Afghan till the mission is done...

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#2
Given there is only 14 of them, they dont go out after dark or at weekends, and have mostly taken residence in all the low risk areas, I am not certain that the TB are contemplating getting round the negotiating table as a result.

Stil, keeps things multi-national.
 

OldSnowy

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#3
The French have had a fair share (I realise that is not really a good ter) of deaths and injuries. I fear though, that if they do stay there until the 'mission is done' then they will either:

a) get very lonely after a few years, or

b) end up with a situation that would make Dien Bien Phu look like a training exercise.


Well done for them, though, to announce a policy based on strategic requirements, rather than knee-jerk short-term political 'necessity'.
 
#4
French in Combat area?

What's the world coming to?
Next we'll have a unified Germany, a worldwide depression, isolationist America, and defence cuts so savage that the Armed forces will only exist in theory/on paper.

shi'ite hold on.......
 
#5
It is a fair position. However, unlikely it would change the strategic situation in Afganistan. Apparenly, France will not send additional combat troops.

Also the husband of Karla Bruni expects that the war in Afghanistan will end rather sooner than later.
 
#6
French to stay in Afghanistan?

On which side?
 
#7
France in Afghanistan 'As Long As Necessary' - Defense News

Fair play to to the frogs they come in for some stick (see here French Military Victory History in a Nutshell) , but this is a good stance!
The French are subject to the same kind of pressures that affect the rest of NATO: defence costs money, however badly it may stick in the craw of the present Republique, being as close as possible to America cuts the cost (to France) of defending the realm. This statement puts them in the same boat we have been using since B'liar shoved it up Shi'ite Creek without a paddle in '03.

The single most important strategic issue at stake in AFG for the Euro-states of NATO, is their individual relationship with Unca Sam, and I don't see us or the French hanging on in there a single day longer than is required to protect that.

And O yes - French soldiers are paying the price, just like Brits are. From memory, the latest deaths were a lieutenant and corporal (I think they were from the 21e Régiment d'Infanterie de Marine, based at Frejus in the Alps), on Monday.

As a Saxon Englishman with a surname of Norman French origin, I reserve the right to knock the French nation, but I'll take my hat off to their soldiers.
 
#8
Despite the piss taking the frogs have always been good soldiers, the took very heavy losses in both world wars and if we didn't have channel between us we would have surrendered to the krauts just as quikly , the BEF didn't fair any better than the frogs.

I would be willing to bet they would prefer to be in Helmand if the politicians weren't wrapping them in cotton wool.
 
#9
Despite the piss taking the frogs have always been good soldiers, the took very heavy losses in both world wars [SNIP].
Their losses in WW1 were to a great extent down to their Generals. The heavy losses in WW2, were confined to the small percentage who chose to fight, rather than farm.

Like I said, I reserve the right to knock the French nation . . . .
 
#12
Piss taking aside though, would we have done any different if apanzer division rolled through London, there would be those who fought and those who passively resisted whilst getting on with their lives, and those who collaborated .

After 13 yrs of Labour rule, in which we were taxed to buggary, bankrupted , spied upon,our boarders opened and our hard earned sovereignty given away to europe without the promised refferendum , had Labour been successful in thier last desperate bid to cling to power would we have rioted in the streets or just quitely whinged a bit and gone about our business ?

If call me Dave went back on his word and handed more power over to the EU would anyone care unless it meant losing thier homes or livelihood ?

I think in many ways we are far more passive than the French who aren't afraid of a bit of civil disobedience when it suits them.
 
#14
Mark 1234

" if we didn't have channel between us we would have surrendered to the krauts just as quikly ". Oh no we 'kin would not. It would seem that you know very little of your forbears. It would be entirely foolish to assume that merely because much of today's society lacks moral fibre to a remarkable degree, that their predecessors suffered similarly. They did not.
 
#16
That just proves my point stonker, there was a ****ing great pond in the way, so we had time to retreat, re-org, get some help from the colonials, wait for a bigger front to kick off in the east and have another go.

Never before in the feild of human conflict has so much been owed by so many to living on a ****ing island.
 
#17
Mark 1234

" if we didn't have channel between us we would have surrendered to the krauts just as quikly ". Oh no we 'kin would not. It would seem that you know very little of your forbears. It would be entirely foolish to assume that merely because much of today's society lacks moral fibre to a remarkable degree, that their predecessors suffered similarly. They did not.
My forbears were invaded by the romans, the vikings, the saxons and the normans, and would have probably been invaded by the Germans a second time had it not been for a rather clever bloke inventing something called a Spitfire and 20 odd miles of brine.

Look at the channel isles, they were Brits, did they fight to the death to resist Nazi occupation?
 
#18
That just proves my point stonker, there was a ****ing great pond in the way, so we had time to retreat, re-org, get some help from the colonials, wait for a bigger front to kick off in the east and have another go.

Never before in the feild of human conflict has so much been owed by so many to living on a ****ing island.
You need to look up the numbers for the French soldiers recovered to England after Dunkirk, who then requested repatriation, and never again took up arms 'pour La Belle France' . . . it is an education in itself. :-D

My Grandad's generation could have simply surrendered at Dunkirk, when their backs were to The Channel. They didn't. They flogged their way back across it, and then took the fight back to the enemy.

Never, never, never forget it. They saved the world.
 
#19
I'm in no way questioning the bravery of the blokes at Dunkirk, especially those who remained behind and fought to the last round to allow the BEF to retreat,just pointing out we were beaten and lucky we had somewhere to retreat to, they'd pushed us back into the sea.

Also I may have been a bounty hunting stab but I did at least venture far enough away from the EFI to have the queens enemies try and kill me a few times, not that that makes me any less of an idiot or a ****, but I'm not unpatriotic , and I do take the time every november to remember those blokes, I'm just trying to be realistic.
 

mercurydancer

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#20
The panzers did not drive up Whitehall because brave men prevented it. It was not chance or good fortune but that lots of German aircraft got shot to shyte to the extent that Hitler thought it would be a disaster to invade. It was the "few" who did that.
 

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