French strip expat Brits of Healthcare rights

#1
This will be of concern to some

Expatriates, many of whom have cashed in on the boom in the British property market to take early retirement, have been told to surrender the documents that entitle them to French state healthcare.

Now they face potentially crippling private healthcare bills in France and the prospect of having to sell their homes abroad if they wish to receive free National Health Service treatment in Britain.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article2368553.ece
 
#2
Time to re-assert Calais as being a British province?

Re-assert the embargo on French apples (which I've never knowingly bought since the beef fiasco)?

Or turn around and say, "Serves you fcuking right!"?
 
#3
or introduce the same laws in the UK for non taxpayers?
 
#4
So they're saying if you haven't contribute to the cost of health care in France then you'll get charged for using it? You still receive healthcare if of retirement age, just not if your still of working age.

Look at the amount of people who come to the UK to get treatment on the NHS. If anything but emergency treatment was free then they'd soon think twice.
France may be full of the French but they do have some good (if unpopular) ideas. Look at how many Asylum Seakers are passing through to enter Britain.

This may not be easy for the people living there but:

If you became French (yeah, i know)/paid their taxes would you then receive their health care free of charge?
Are you still entitled to NHS treatment?

Not a popular law by any roads, but one which the French are going to save themselves some money with. I can't say I totally disagree with it.
 
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Pharscape81

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#5
I think this country should say all French in the Country are no longer entitled to our healthcare, or have i misunderstood it :?
 
#6
It's just another case where EU law only applies to those countries stupid enough to accept it.

Britain won't apply a similar ruling because it would undermine EU harmony and would have a disastrous impact on the East European member states.
 
#7
Pharscape81 said:
I think this country should say all French in the Country are no longer entitled to our healthcare, or have i misunderstood it :?
Yes, but why stop at the French? Any one who isn't a UK Citizen, is not entitled to treatment on the NHS apart from Emergency Treatment. Even this can be claimed back via the E111 (Or whatever the card is now called) system or Private Heath Insurance. If they can't pay then no treatment.
 

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#8
Deleted for being un-neccessarily offensive. It was late and I was tired.


And drunk :oops:
 
#9
Sixty said:
You sir, are a fcuking cock. That would preclude UK citizens from treatment abroad as well if reciprocated.

Fool.
Comment from the Times:
The provision of healthcare to expatriates across Europe is patchy. In Spain, new rules this year mean that European Union citizens under pensionable age have no automatic right to medical help beyond emergencies. Greece does not give free healthcare to retired people moving there from other European countries, while Portugal does.
It's already happening. Healthcare is expensive and costs us a lot in taxes. Why should we support everyone else if they don't support us? Treatment is available via the EHIC

EHIC Information: The agreement at the moment from what I read into the card, is that as a resident of an EEC State we can get free/reduced healthcare while visiting a member country. If we then decide to take up residence in a different country then we have to contribute to the costs of their healthcare just like we do here in the UK by paying tax to support the NHS.
 
#10
Sixty said:
Cow said:
Pharscape81 said:
I think this country should say all French in the Country are no longer entitled to our healthcare, or have i misunderstood it :?
Yes, but why stop at the French? Any one who isn't a UK Citizen, is not entitled to treatment on the NHS apart from Emergency Treatment. Even this can be claimed back via the E111 (Or whatever the card is now called) system or Private Heath Insurance. If they can't pay then no treatment.
You sir, are a fcuking cock. That would preclude UK citizens from treatment abroad as well if reciprocated.

Fool.
Fool? What's the problem with being obliged to contribute to the country that's supplying your healthcare? Unless you're advocating an EU Health Service?

Currently, France, Spain, Cyprus are subsidising the healthcare of retired UK ex-pats (and others) while UK subsidises the healthcare of Eastern European economic migrants. OK, it's a bit of a generalisation, but the ultimate issue is that those who have funded a nations's healthcare are subsidising the care of other nationals.

If EU-wide free treatment were limited to emergencies only (and I wouldn't class childbirth as an emergency as it's predicted), citizens would be getting back what they paid in.

(This is me being serious now).

And posted as somebody who pays into the system and gets fcuk all back!
 
#11
If the expats are living in France,aren't they paying local taxes in which case they should be entitled to Medical car alao the E111 card entitles you to reciprocal medicare as if you are a Citizen of that country, if the French decides to deny this to just British citizens not other Nationality then it really stinks of anti-British Bias.

since when have the French played by the rules in the EU anyway.
 
#12
Would somebody be so kind and give a link to the rules for expats in Spain.

Cheers in advance

SK
 
#13
semper said:
If the expats are living in France,aren't they paying local taxes in which case they should be entitled to Medical car alao the E111 card entitles you to reciprocal medicare as if you are a Citizen of that country, if the French decides to deny this to just British citizens not other Nationality then it really stinks of anti-British Bias.
As far as I can tell, from that link and from French sources too, you're denied free healthcare if you fulfil all of the following requirements

1. You're not a French national
2. You're below retirement age in your "home" country but have taken early retirement
3. You're not working in France (thus you're not paying taxes to the French govt)
4. You've been in France for more than 2 years.

So, basically, if you're not paying taxes and the French equivalent of national insurance, you don't get free/heavily subsidised healthcare. If you're over retirement age in your own country, you get free healthcare. If you're under retirement age and are still working, you get the healthcare.
 
#14
putteesinmyhands said:
It's just another case where EU law only applies to those countries stupid enough to accept it.

Britain won't apply a similar ruling because it would undermine EU harmony and would have a disastrous impact on the East European member states.
:? True if you join the E.U. expect to get screwed, French want it all there way, ask BLiar :?
 
#15
Delphine said:
semper said:
If the expats are living in France,aren't they paying local taxes in which case they should be entitled to Medical car alao the E111 card entitles you to reciprocal medicare as if you are a Citizen of that country, if the French decides to deny this to just British citizens not other Nationality then it really stinks of anti-British Bias.
As far as I can tell, from that link and from French sources too, you're denied free healthcare if you fulfil all of the following requirements

1. You're not a French national
2. You're below retirement age in your "home" country but have taken early retirement
3. You're not working in France (thus you're not paying taxes to the French govt)
4. You've been in France for more than 2 years.

So, basically, if you're not paying taxes and the French equivalent of national insurance, you don't get free/heavily subsidised healthcare. If you're over retirement age in your own country, you get free healthcare. If you're under retirement age and are still working, you get the healthcare.
I don't know why anyone is concerned, they will only come over to the UK on (ill) health holidays.
 
#16
semper said:
If the expats are living in France,aren't they paying local taxes in which case they should be entitled to Medical car alao the E111 card entitles you to reciprocal medicare as if you are a Citizen of that country, if the French decides to deny this to just British citizens not other Nationality then it really stinks of anti-British Bias.
Does the article actually say that the French will treat British citizens different to others?
 
#18
If anyone is interested try Benenden Healthcare Society they offer a range of services for only £1.25 ( yes, £1.25 ) per week.

0845 052 5731 or check out www.benenden.org.uk

I don't think they will cover treatment if you are abroad. But a handy back up if you are in the UK.
 
#19
putteesinmyhands said:
It's just another case where EU law only applies to those countries stupid enough to accept it.

Britain won't apply a similar ruling because it would undermine EU harmony and would have a disastrous impact on the East European member states.
You mean other members of the EU want to come and try our MRSA? They must be desperate!

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#20
Stephanie said:
If they are living there and not contributing to the country then they shouldnt be entitled to healthcare - and likewise i think the same in this country.
That's a bit novel....

and I don't think it will ever catch on! :twisted:

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