French military braces for cutbacks under Sarkozy

#1
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cg....1147313773.RGKebcOa9dUAADWQYG4&modele=jdc_34

PARIS --- Even as they basked in the glow of the record-breaking orders booked during the Paris Air Show, French aerospace and defence manufacturers were abruptly shaken back to reality on June 23, when incoming President Nicolas Sarkozy served notice of impending cuts in defence spending, a major overhaul of the defense procurement machinery, and a radical review of ongoing weapon programs.

Sarkozy’s warning, made during the June 23 official luncheon with industry chief executives at the show, came at the end of an industrial policy speech whose main points were well received. These include promises of a 25-percent increase in public R&D funding; of increased pressure to ensure European access to US and Chinese markets; a pledge to bolster the euro’s competitiveness by acting on exchange rates, and finally the promise of an industrial policy for the aerospace and defense sectors. These are areas in which French and European aerospace chiefs have long been calling for governments to adopt pro-active positions to defend their industry.

But, on the subject of defense procurement, Sarkozy proved much less accommodating. He pointedly failed to repeat his election promise to keep defense spending to 2% of Gross Domestic Product (GDP), and called for a bottom-up review of all weapon programs, including ongoing ones, since defence procurement “clearly continues to suffer from insufficient controls and from a mismatch between programs and requirements.

”He added that France must also change the way it buys its weapons. “There is no obligation to retain a system that has had its share of failures,” he said; defense procurement decisions should be the result of a prioritized expression of capability requirements, and “not just a catalogue of weapons.”
Knowing they'll have to scrimp and save like us makes me feel a whole lot better! :twisted:
 
#3
AS long as it does not affect the new carrier programme (CVF) as Lord Bryson's latest idea is to share a third of the building with the French as they will build one as we build two. If this is to be delayed then we are fcuked.
 
#4
exile1 said:
I doubt he will make any cuts in The Legion tho'.........the French have got to have someone to fight their wars for them :lol:
Don't knock them, we have more foreigners in our armed forces than they do... and thank God for them.
 
#7
PreachersDaughter said:
The french are really helping us in Iraq I think not so who cares if they have cut backs.
A: See my above post re CVF, probably Britain's most important defence procurement at the moment.

B: We won't be in France for ever...I hope! And we might need the French in future.
 
#9
PreachersDaughter said:
Like I said they aint in iraq and the french have never helped us yet not when it really counts.
Why on earth would they want to be in Iraq anyway? If its so fuking good, why aren't you there??!

:x
 
#10
They got a bigger Army then us anyway, yet they fight bugger all, they just get the Foreign Legion to do it all for them. The rest of them just twiddle their thumbs in French Guyana, or some obscure peasant area in rural France surely?
So i'm sure they can afford to cut defence spending ever so slightly
...however if they do cut the Carrier project we are well and truely stuffed.

One does wander what Gordon Brown is going to do with Defence spending...
 
#12
PreachersDaughter said:
Like I said they aint in iraq and the french have never helped us yet not when it really counts.
They're not in Iraq for a good reason. Chirac had the foresight that Blair didn't. Many lives have therefore been saved. Simple as.
 
#13
No Charic was doing too many arms deals with rouge states (and third world dictators Hussien) so he isnt likely to shat on his own doorstep is he, iraq?? Same when the french flogged the exrocet missiles to the argies in the falklands, as if it wasnt for the iron lady getting the codes to disable them, there would have been more british deaths..... nuff said.
 
#15
The story about the Exocet codes was made up by Mitterand when walting to his psychiatrist about how he'd saved the world from nuclear war because the mad Mrs T was going to nuke Buenos Aries if the Argentines sank more ships with the missile. It was a bizarre claim, made years after the event, and the trick cyclist (who decided he could talk about it since Mitterand was dead) came out with some euphemism for 'I think he was telling complete porkies' to prevent offending the family.

The French actually made strenuous efforts to ensure that the Argentines didn't get their paws on any more Exocet (this is recognised by British govt sources, see the Official History of the conflict, for example) and there are rumours that not only did they refuse to sell missles to Peru and others who might have passed them on to the Argentines, but they threw their weight around and threatened sanctions of some sort against any South American nation that got its hands on Exocets from another source and passed them on (the threat, AIUI, involved not supporting any of the military kit several of the Latin American nations had recently bought at great expense from France). They also provided aircraft for dissimilar air combat training for the Sea Harriers.

John Nott described the French as 'our greatest [European] allies', and all the evidence suggest that he was right. They may have behaved like.... well, stereotypical Frenchmen on other occasions, but not during the Falklands.

The only possible underhand behaviour is alleged to have come from one French defence contractor, with some sources suggesting that it obeyed government instructions, but 'forgot' about a technical team that was already in-country assisting the Argentines with Exocets. They are supposed to have remembered about them only after the last one had been used and all the performance data they wanted about using the weapon in combat had been gained.
 
#16
Great to see that Frog Bashing is alive and well!

The French army is going through a rough patch at the moment. The move to an all-volunteer force has seen a dramatic fall in recruitment and the prestige of the military, in the eyes of the man on the Bordeaux omnibus, is at an all time low. More cuts will lead to lower morale, less recruits and more experienced officers and NCOs leaving.

Despite our natural tendancy to despise the French army, they were with us in Gulf War 1 and alongside us in Bosnia and Kosovo. They also have a large number of peacekeepers deployed around the world in places that rarely make the news.

One example is Cote d'Ivoire where the civil war has been checked by the large French presence between the two militias. You may remember a couple of years back when some French soldiers were killed in a bombing raid by Government planes. The frogs raided Abidjan airport the next day and destroyed the whole of President Gbagbo's airforce in its hangers. I must have missed our own strikes on Iranian naval bases earlier this year.

So cut the Frogs a bit of slack - they're mostly, but not all, cheese-eating surrender monkeys!
 
#17
They're cutting the forces on the Ivory Coast at the moment, due to the recent annoucement of a peace/ceasefire deal between the rebels and the government.
 
#18
Does this mean they won't be buying any more white flags when their current stockpiles dry up?
 

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#19
Sartorius said:
Great to see that Frog Bashing is alive and well!

The French army is going through a rough patch at the moment. The move to an all-volunteer force has seen a dramatic fall in recruitment and the prestige of the military, in the eyes of the man on the Bordeaux omnibus, is at an all time low. More cuts will lead to lower morale, less recruits and more experienced officers and NCOs leaving.

Despite our natural tendancy to despise the French army, they were with us in Gulf War 1 and alongside us in Bosnia and Kosovo. They also have a large number of peacekeepers deployed around the world in places that rarely make the news.

One example is Cote d'Ivoire where the civil war has been checked by the large French presence between the two militias. You may remember a couple of years back when some French soldiers were killed in a bombing raid by Government planes. The frogs raided Abidjan airport the next day and destroyed the whole of President Gbagbo's airforce in its hangers. I must have missed our own strikes on Iranian naval bases earlier this year.

So cut the Frogs a bit of slack - they're mostly, but not all, cheese-eating surrender monkeys!
Yeah they are going through a big change, but I hear positive feedback from the career orientated elements who like the idea of a fully professional army. Also man for man it is a budget increase and they are being promised the world. I guess a lot of dead wood will be shifted aswell, which may explain the differences in feedback.
 
#20
The main reason they are not in Iraq is to stop their armpits getting sunburned when they surrender. :worship:

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