French casualties and the economy.

#1
BBC News - Four French troops die in Afghanistan shooting


Quoting the article:

He was sending his defence minister, Gerard Longuet, to the country "immediately," he said.

Mr Sarkozy said that the question of an early French withdrawal from Afghanistan would arise, if security conditions were not re-established.

It was "unacceptable" for French troops to be fired on by their allies, he said.
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To be expected, he's obviously trying to make this issue top of the French peeps agenda in an attempt to cover over his complete **** up of the French economy.
 
#3
The bloke doing the firing wasn't an Ally, he was an insurgent who infiltrated the ANA.

It's just another tactic that needs to be recognised and countered. Any decent Commander would understand this, so it sounds like the French are looking for any lame excuse for an early exit. Especially now they've really fallen out with the British it sounds like a case of wanting to take their ball home.

Pathetic.
 
#5
Given the normal behaviour of the French in international cooperation, there's nothing unusual about this.
 
#7
The bloke doing the firing wasn't an Ally, he was an insurgent who infiltrated the ANA.

It's just another tactic that needs to be recognised and countered. Any decent Commander would understand this, so it sounds like the French are looking for any lame excuse for an early exit. Especially now they've really fallen out with the British it sounds like a case of wanting to take their ball home.

Pathetic.


Ze Phrench taking their ball home in a sulk? Never mon aimes! You must think it's still 1940!
 
#8
The bloke doing the firing wasn't an Ally, he was an insurgent who infiltrated the ANA.

It's just another tactic that needs to be recognised and countered. Any decent Commander would understand this, so it sounds like the French are looking for any lame excuse for an early exit. Especially now they've really fallen out with the British it sounds like a case of wanting to take their ball home.

Pathetic.
maybe we should give this a go
 
#9
I thought the French were pulling 1000 troops back from Surobi by the end of this year anyway, about a quarter of their force.

Mes plus sincères condoléances aux familles.
 
#11
The reduction of 1,000 between 2011 and 2012 is in line with transition and has nothing to do with recent casualties. They were decided in coordination with NATO and they match the gradual TLSRs in the French AOR.
 
#12
The reduction of 1,000 between 2011 and 2012 is in line with transition and has nothing to do with recent casualties. They were decided in coordination with NATO and they match the gradual TLSRs in the French AOR.
Tis my point, it's what they 'politicians' do, they know something is already planned and use it for political gain on a completely and otherwise unrelated subject. Attaching some other reasoning to something. Usually doesn't involve dead troops though.

Sark's is really scraping the barrel to try and divert attention away from the fact that the French hate him and maybe score some browny points elsewhere. Can't imagine it will fool that many in France.... was there ever a nation more politically aware. What it could result in is other nations hammering the 'Surrender Monkey's' drum to death... all because Sark's only cares about himself.
 
#13
Will they be taking out the step up to the bog out on the French presidential jet when Sarkozy gets****ed off later this year?
 

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#14
Given the normal behaviour of the French in international cooperation, there's nothing unusual about this.
hey ho......eventually some of this will sink in...
French forces in Afghanistan have been involved in the ongoing War in Afghanistan since late 2001. They operate within two distinct frameworks:

the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), carried out by NATO on a United Nations mandate
"Operation Enduring Freedom", under US command, as part of the so-called "War on Terror".

French forces have contributed to both chapters in several national operations:

Opération Pamir with the ISAF,
Opération Héraklès for the naval and air components
Opération Épidote for training of the Afghan Army
Opération Arès for special operations within "Operation Enduring Freedom"

As of 1 November 2009, 4,000 French personnel were deployed in Afghanistan, including the air support of Combined Task Force 150 in the Indian Ocean. Furthermore, 150 gendarmes were deployed in late 2009.

Operations in 2009 alone cost 450 million Euros, amounting to over half the 870 million Euros devoted to military operations abroad. 82 men have been killed
Great to hear that the Neocon smearing of France for DARING to say 'Non' to George Bush in 2003 has taken such a firm hold of some English minds...... whilst you can bash les grenouilles for many things

>their addiction to garlic and disdain for vegetables other than salad
> their strange taste in whiskey
> their bizarre affection for rank caporal tobacco
> the fact that their women are effortlessly sexier than majority of English chicks, when they bother to wash
>their age-old policy 'France first and last'

- they have stayed the course and poured more blood and treasure into AFG than MANY NATO allies.....

- and it is not just the French who are questioning whether the sh1t-hole in question is worth the effort....

Time to Leave Afghanistan
21 January 2012

This war is going to turn out badly. We are wasting lives and resources while the United States decays and other threats emerge. We led the horse to water.

Importantly, there is no value in pretending that Pakistan is an ally. We should wish the best of luck to the Afghans, and the many peaceful Pakistanis, and accelerate our withdrawal of our main battle force. The US never has been serious about Afghanistan. Under General Petraeus we were starting to gain ground, but the current trajectory will land us in the mud.

The enemies will never beat us in Afghanistan. Force on force, the Taliban are weak by comparison. Yet this is their home. There is only so much we can do at this extreme cost for the many good Afghan people. We must reduce our main effort and concentrate on other matters. Time to come home.

Sincerely,

Michael Yon
- read the Comments from a host of serving and Veteran Yanks below his short dit.

I had been considering this since at least McChrystal's days but needed to be very sure of my position before saying it. There has been (and continues to be) progress on many fronts. General Petraeus came in and there was definite progress. Yet today we ARE already pulling out. France is about to pull back (looks like) and we already have downsized a force that was never sufficient to begin with. I first wrote in 12 dispatches in 2006 that we were losing in Afghanistan. Many people said I was crazy, of course. (That's what they normally say.) Since that time, I've seen a lot more, and studied much more, and talked with far more Afghans, US, British, etc., and our top leadership here and there. The general trajectory is plain to see and even the best case (that I can see) scenario in Afghanistan is not worth it to us. We will not lose the war as the Soviets did. Afghanistan is what it is. I wish the Afghans great success. I like the Afghan people and do not want to abandon them, and withdrawing our main force is not abandonment. We need to bring our people home. We can continue to work there, but we need to dramatically scale back. We are at the whims of Pakistan, and the northern routes, and a horse that doesn't drink much water.
Now...who is going to stand up in Parliament and say the same thing to David Cameron next week ?

More importantly (obviously) when is David Cameron going to say the same thing to He Who Walks on Water in Washington ?......The Emperor just isn't wearing any clothes...and someone needs to say so.


Le Chevre
 
#15
How. Did he make his point in German?

How does one rouge cnut reflect on the whole AA?

Sarks an over reacting cnut desperate for an opportunity to deflect attention away from the fact that he's shit at his job.
He was red?
 

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