French armed forces finally adopt the FN MAG (GPMG)

#1
52 years after the MAG was introduced, the French army has finally decided to adopt it.....about bloody time if you ask me.

100 million Euros for roughly 11,000 GPMGs with the first 500 delivered in 2011.

Afghanistan does have a good side to it after all.

ITC Wales Support Fire expertise on the GPMG will sure come in handy pretty soon and I would not be surprised if the French school of infantry turned to Brecon for support when they introduce this new weapon.

In French only so far (Belgian press celebrating the contract)

La FN décroche un contrat juteux de 100 millions - RTL info
 

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#2
My first thought was that I guess our grandkids will still be using 7.62...
My second thought was that it sounds expensive for such a well established weapon.
My third was that it is a heavy twat to lug around.... ;-)
 
#3
I want to burst the news readers bottom.
 
#7
Probably something to do with all the co-ax and other vehicle/ship/helo mounted weapons and with the fact that a few hundred (200 ?) 7,62 Minimi are already in service with the French army.

I heard that for this contract, there are actually more mounted weapons than infantry weapons and that is why at some point HK had offered to re-work the old and now unreliable French ANF1 MMG (like they did for the SA80) so it would fit perfectly as a co-ax weapon without needing to modify the mounts like they will probably have to with the purchase of the MAG.

Anyway, getting a new MAG is 1000 times better than getting a reworked ANF1.
 
#8
Why don't we start a ruck with the French, they will surrender their arms, we prof new gats!
Don't even need to do that they're wil lbe plenty left on a beach somewhere when the boxheads come through Belgium for their usual summer excursion, been delayed a bit too long of late, the ******* must be itching for another pop.
 
#9
Is my french rusty !

D'un poids de 12 kilos, elle peut être utilisée sur bipied (1.000 coups à la minute) ou trépied (1.500 coups à la minute).
 
#11
€9000 per gat? Even if they were all supplied to SF role CES, that would seem a lot. Are a quarter of them attached to vehicles?
 
#12
My first thought was that I guess our grandkids will still be using 7.62...
My second thought was that it sounds expensive for such a well established weapon.
My third was that it is a heavy twat to lug around.... ;-)
1. It'll serve them just as well as it served their grandparents generation
2. It's France's money and non of my concern!
3. You are to old to be worrying about having to carry it
 
#13
The high price tag probably means that life cycle costs are already incorporated. It seems to be the case for all weapons recently purchased for the FRA armed forces.
 
#14
Is my french rusty !

D'un poids de 12 kilos, elle peut être utilisée sur bipied (1.000 coups à la minute) ou trépied (1.500 coups à la minute).
At the risk of showing my ignorance of weaponry ... does this mean there's some little switch that allows you to up the rate of fire when you plonk the thing on a tripod? But stops cowboys like me setting the thing to 1500 rpm while it's on a bipod?!?
 
#15
At the risk of showing my ignorance of weaponry ... does this mean there's some little switch that allows you to up the rate of fire when you plonk the thing on a tripod? But stops cowboys like me setting the thing to 1500 rpm while it's on a bipod?!?
Yes and no. You can set the gas regulator to a high rate of fire. More useful when you're static (e.g. in SF role) and are feeding from ammo boxes. If you're mobile, chances are you'll have a short belt and you'll want to conserve ammo, so you'd have the gas regulator adjusted down. Ability to absorb recoil also comes into it, I imagine.

So, yes, you could fire it at 1500rpm on the bipod - but would you really want to?
 
#16
At the risk of showing my ignorance of weaponry ... does this mean there's some little switch that allows you to up the rate of fire when you plonk the thing on a tripod? But stops cowboys like me setting the thing to 1500 rpm while it's on a bipod?!?
My thoughts as well. Or is it over inventive journalism? Even the Bundeswehrs MG only manages a mere cyclic rate of 1200 per minute.
 
#17
Just to correct the numbers, GPMG is supposed to fire at between 650-1000rpm, so 1500 does seem a bit optimistic. The principle of adjusting the rate remains the same, though.
 
#18
Yes and no. You can set the gas regulator to a high rate of fire. More useful when you're static (e.g. in SF role) and are feeding from ammo boxes. If you're mobile, chances are you'll have a short belt and you'll want to conserve ammo, so you'd have the gas regulator adjusted down. Ability to absorb recoil also comes into it, I imagine.

So, yes, you could fire it at 1500rpm on the bipod - but would you really want to?
OK, too long since I last played with a GPMG -- forgotten the effect of the gas regulator on rate of fire.

And as to whether I'd want to ... that'd depend on who was carrying the ammunition!
 
#19
Probably something to do with all the co-ax and other vehicle/ship/helo mounted weapons and with the fact that a few hundred (200 ?) 7,62 Minimi are already in service with the French army.

I heard that for this contract, there are actually more mounted weapons than infantry weapons and that is why at some point HK had offered to re-work the old and now unreliable French ANF1 MMG (like they did for the SA80) so it would fit perfectly as a co-ax weapon without needing to modify the mounts like they will probably have to with the purchase of the MAG.

Anyway, getting a new MAG is 1000 times better than getting a reworked ANF1.

In my time we had the old AA-52 and I quite liked it - relatively lightweight with a simple delayed-blowback mechanism, so no gas parts to clean.
 
#20
In my time we had the old AA-52 and I quite liked it - relatively lightweight with a simple delayed-blowback mechanism, so no gas parts to clean.
It was nice getting a cabby on a 12.7 from time to time, also.
 

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