Freedoms Lost for Americans Since 2001

#1
Read 'em and weep.

  • [FONT=&quot]Warrantless domestic wire-taps and other surveillance.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]The ability to search telephone calls, emails, financial matters especially involving foreign individuals, and medical records for people who are “suspected” of endangering the country.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]Building a massive heavily fortified data storage center in the mountains of Utah so that the NSA to store your e-mails, Google searches and other personal information.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]Color coded risk levels designed to keep citizens fearful of non-existent terrorists.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]Pre-emptive invasion of foreign countries.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]Committing U.S. forces to war without a declaration of war by Congress as mandated in the U.S. Constitution.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]Assassination of people on presidential kill lists.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]Extermination of “suspected” enemies by predator drones.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]Camera systems monitoring the movements of Americans in cites and streets across the United States.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]Torture of detainees in camps outside of the United States.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]The authority to indefinitely detain America citizens without trial.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]Executive orders giving the President the ability to unilaterally disregard the U.S. Constitution and take control of private industries.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]Use of drones to monitor the activities of American citizens.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]Cameras and listening devices on public transit and other public locations.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]Military exercises conducted in U.S. cities in order to condition the masses.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]Attempts to control and censor the internet through the introduction of the SOPA bill.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]The use of tragic mass murders by mentally defective young men on psychotropic drugs to disregard the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Amendment and disarm American citizens.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]TSA thugs molesting little old ladies and young children to desensitize citizens to gestapo like tactics and treat them like criminals.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]Government partnering with Facebook, Apple and other corporate entities to monitor, censor, and report the activities of citizens to the authorities.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]The use of public schools to teach children what to think rather than how to think. Thought control is vital to an agenda of keeping the masses fearful and pliable.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]Government agencies (FBI, ATF) creating terrorist plots, luring young dupes into the plots, providing fake explosives, and then announcing with great fanfare they have foiled a terrorist plot.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]“See something, Say something” government media campaign designed to make citizens paranoid and fearful.[/FONT]
 
#2
Well, you voted for it, What's the problem?
Besides any country that elected GW Bush after electing Ray-gun, deserves everything they get.
 

jarrod248

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#4
Wherever I go I see cameras, lots of different cameras, if I look up I see cameras watching people if I drive I see cameras monitoring my speed, my licence plate, some cameras i'm not sure what they monitor. Sometimes I think i'm being watched but i'm not sure but I think I am...
 

jarrod248

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#5
We can't defend ourselves by being ignorant of the laws but we don't know what the laws are, they change all the time, they get more complex, more difficult to understand and to Police. If my dog shits on a field the council are happy to fine me £80 if I don't pick it up and are readily available during the day to fine people. There is a massive £500 fine for drinking in the same field at any time but nobody i've ever heard has been fined for this.
 
#6
Some of that list are well within the realms of fantasy "tin-foil hat" territory.

Blaming mass murders on a government trying to get rid of the wholly indefensible 2nd Amendment and kids being taught what to think than how to think is just right wing gun toting hysteria.

Anyone who needs more than a hand gun or shotgun to defend property or says they need a military assault rifle to go hunting should not be classed as mentally stable enough to carry a gun. If they can't be bothered to secure those guns at home and kids run a mock with them, I'm not sure the government are first in line for blame, except that they haven't introduced more gun control. Remember, ensuring that gun owners control their weapons and controlling what type of weapons they can legally hold, does not mean 'no guns'.

As for the methods used to teach kids in schools. Installing a bit of pride in your country is a good thing. The systematic brainwashing that went on in US schools during the Cold War is probably to blame for the foreign policies that led to 9/11 and much of the mess since.

Only my humble opinion, which I believe the constitution allows me to have. However, I am donning CBA, helmet and retiring to my metaphorical Sanger to await the barrage of "my rights" right wing vitriol that follows the voicing of such opinions.


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#7
Well, you voted for it, What's the problem?
Besides any country that elected GW Bush after electing Ray-gun, deserves everything they get.
Erm...I assume "you" is the collective "you." I think your bias is showing just a tad. Cheers comrade.
 
#8
Well, you voted for it, What's the problem?
Besides any country that elected GW Bush after electing Ray-gun, deserves everything they get.
I didn't realise that Bush the Simple was elected in 2001. I thought he was appointed by the Republican leaning Supreme Court. Had something to do with thousands of non-white Americans being taken off the voters' roll in Florida by some bint that was a fan of the simpleton and his brother being the Governer of Florida. Besides that what freedoms have we lost in the UK??? Ever heard of the EU ?? Who voted for the UK to join "this ever closer union" of countries???
 
#9
Some of that list are well within the realms of fantasy "tin-foil hat" territory.

Blaming mass murders on a government trying to get rid of the wholly indefensible 2nd Amendment and kids being taught what to think than how to think is just right wing gun toting hysteria.

Anyone who needs more than a hand gun or shotgun to defend property or says they need a military assault rifle to go hunting should not be classed as mentally stable enough to carry a gun. If they can't be bothered to secure those guns at home and kids run a mock with them, I'm not sure the government are first in line for blame, except that they haven't introduced more gun control. Remember, ensuring that gun owners control their weapons and controlling what type of weapons they can legally hold, does not mean 'no guns'.

As for the methods used to teach kids in schools. Installing a bit of pride in your country is a good thing. The systematic brainwashing that went on in US schools during the Cold War is probably to blame for the foreign policies that led to 9/11 and much of the mess since.

Only my humble opinion, which I believe the constitution allows me to have. However, I am donning CBA, helmet and retiring to my metaphorical Sanger to await the barrage of "my rights" right wing vitriol that follows the voicing of such opinions.


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i suppose we will have to just agree to disagree.
 
#10
I didn't realise that Bush the Simple was elected in 2001. I thought he was appointed by the Republican leaning Supreme Court. Had something to do with thousands of non-white Americans being taken off the voters' roll in Florida by some bint that was a fan of the simpleton and his brother being the Governer of Florida. Besides that what freedoms have we lost in the UK??? Ever heard of the EU ?? Who voted for the UK to join "this ever closer union" of countries???
I believe that is down to a silly concept called the "rule of law" that should work regardless of one's "feelings." Besides the 2001 election is old news and any irregularities in that one pale in comparison to those documented in 2008 and 2012.
 
#11
We can't defend ourselves by being ignorant of the laws but we don't know what the laws are, they change all the time, they get more complex, more difficult to understand and to Police. If my dog shits on a field the council are happy to fine me £80 if I don't pick it up and are readily available during the day to fine people. There is a massive £500 fine for drinking in the same field at any time but nobody i've ever heard has been fined for this.

These encroachment a on freedom and the rule of law are like death by 1000 cuts.
 
#12
Wherever I go I see cameras, lots of different cameras, if I look up I see cameras watching people if I drive I see cameras monitoring my speed, my licence plate, some cameras i'm not sure what they monitor. Sometimes I think i'm being watched but i'm not sure but I think I am...
Funny that. I feel that quite acutely when visiting the UK.
 

jarrod248

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#13
These encroachment a on freedom and the rule of law are like death by 1000 cuts.
It's also an easy fine to collect unless you are drinking on a field at night when the council staff finish work at 1700hrs.
Do you have councils in the US? Are the allowed to issue fines and interview people taped under caution?
 
#15
Do the cameras protect anyone?
Probably.

Do they make people feel safer?
I can only answer for myself. They don't bother me, and I like to think that after the numbers prosecuted for the 2011 riots due to CCTV evidence they will act as a deterrent.

If an old lady is raped does she look up to see a camera in the hope it will rescue her?
Four or five years ago (ish) either The Times or The Telegraph did an extensive piece about CCTV cameras, looking at how they are controlled, weighing up pros and cons etc. It contained an account of a woman who called 999 complaining of domestic violence. If a 999 call is made from a residence CCTV operators are allowed to swivel the cameras on the street to film the residence. The domestic violence was captured and recorded and put the scum behind bars. Had a google but couldn't find the article.

I don't understand why people get upset by CCTV tbh. Being scared of it has always sounded slightly tin-foil-hattish to me. Each to their own though.

Oh and that statistic about there being 2 gazillion cameras for every UK subject is sensationalist nonsense. Could be more, could be less.
 
#17
Do the cameras protect anyone? Do they make people feel safer? If an old lady is raped does she look up to see a camera in the hope it will rescue her?
No I suspect none of these things.
I believe they do. I was watching a couple of programs a while back which dealt with them and both showed scenarios where people were being mugged/hassled and one Police officer being beaten and the camera operators were able to get cops onto the scene to get the issues resolved and ultimately save the life of the copper.
 
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Mark The Convict

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#18
Speaking of CCTV, I live not far from Fortitude Valley, arguably the worst inner-city zoo north of King's Cross (goatrutar will verify this) and it's had CCTV for some years. The cameras have recently been augmented by loudspeakers which are controlled from the same room.

Misbehaviour meets with a verbal warning, and sustained dumbness attracts the attention of the nearest police patrol, but apparently the warning stops most scuffles straight away. A trifle Orwellian though, and it can't cover the whole area 24/7.
 
#19
As a cctv op, I wouldn't worry about them. 99% aren't even monitored. Ways to increase your chance of being observed here are being Blonde in a mini skirt with big tits.
Unlike you see on CSi and other dramas cctv images are not usually very good as system managers them set up to record for the maximum time allowable, necessitating the lowest image quality.
This is on modern HDD system, you would be amazed at how many are still using vhs time lapse with an image every 1 to 2 seconds. Recorded onto the same tape for years with result you get an image thats utterly useless.
 
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goatrutar

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#20
Speaking of CCTV, I live not far from Fortitude Valley, arguably the worst inner-city zoo north of King's Cross (goatrutar will verify this) and it's had CCTV for some years. The cameras have recently been augmented by loudspeakers which are controlled from the same room.

Misbehaviour meets with a verbal warning, and sustained dumbness attracts the attention of the nearest police patrol, but apparently the warning stops most scuffles straight away. A trifle Orwellian though, and it can't cover the whole area 24/7.
I wasn't aware of the extra CCTV in the valley. I do know that Ipswich council put a heap of CCTV in their cbd and it seems to have worked reducing crime. Not that I frequent Ipswich. I can vouch for Fortitude Valley being a shit pit though.


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