Free Heroin anyone?

#1
Driving to work yesterday, I found myself shouting at the radio in disbelief.

There was a story about heroin clinics where druggies can go and get free needles, Diamorphine or even clean heroin and then shoot up in the clinic.

These clinics are manned 24/7 365 days a year, so that the poor hard done by, downtrodden scum bags can go and get a fix. These fcukers had a choice when they got into drugs and therefore should be left to kill themselves. As John Humphphrey’s says there are people such as Alzheimer's sufferers or cancer sufferers who can not get medication yet these scum are being encouraged to get a free fix.

What about squaddies coming home from ops who can't get the care they need, blokes and lasses that have put their necks on the line for queen and country!

You can listen to the story via the Radio 4 website, on the today program listen again link (Monday 0730). You need RealPlayer. Or copy the link below into your browser.

Un-be-fcuking-lievable :x :x :x


http://switchboard.real.com/player/...stenagain/ram/today3_Diamorphine_20071119.ram
 
#2
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7099138.stm

Another article about it there, what a fantastic idea, give the druggies free drugs!

Edit: on another note I really enjoy having a good old **** when I'm home, can the gov supply me with a hooker?
 
#3
But does giving them free drugs stop them thieving to fund their habit, and rival drug lords from shooting each other. And its not like we're paying for the heroin: Every now and then the RN capture a couple of tonnes of it in the Caribbean.

Does the decrease in crime (even neu arbeit cant out-argue that 80% of crime is illegal-drug related) outweigh the cost? And the cost itself is nothing, a mere £2.5mil (I mean that sincerely) for two years of the project, giving people a fresh start in life. If they then go and bugger it up again though, that is a different matter.

How many cancer drugs could you buy for £2.5 milion over two years?

*awaits incoming*
 
#4
Just give em extra hardy doses... problem solved.
 
#6
Shovel_Recce said:
ghost_us said:
Just give em extra hardy doses... problem solved.
Surely a 9mm round is cheaper!!!
Well I was thinking with the war on and all that extra dope in 'stan that ammo's a bit more expensive at this point .
 
#8
duckiciao said:
But does giving them free drugs stop them thieving to fund their habit, and rival drug lords from shooting each other. And its not like we're paying for the heroin: Every now and then the RN capture a couple of tonnes of it in the Caribbean.

Does the decrease in crime (even neu arbeit cant out-argue that 80% of crime is illegal-drug related) outweigh the cost? And the cost itself is nothing, a mere £2.5mil (I mean that sincerely) for two years of the project, giving people a fresh start in life. If they then go and bugger it up again though, that is a different matter.

How many cancer drugs could you buy for £2.5 milion over two years?

*awaits incoming*
My bold.

You raise an interesting question. However, my bold I believe should be encouraged
 
#9
jarrod248 said:
It might sound difficult to give people clean needles but put this into perspective if someone gets infected with Hepatitis C the treatment costs about £10-£15k
Don't treat the scum. That saves the £15,000.
 
#11
I approve of the idea of offering free heroin and other drugs to addicts.

They should be able to sign up for free drugs. In return they would waive their civil liberties and human rights, would be injected with contraceptive implants, have their children removed from them and rehomed, and would be kept apart from society - ideally on an island somewhere.

The only return ticket would be if they ditched the habit. There should be a comprehensive rehabilitation programme for drug addicts and alcoholics.

Incidentally, one former GP and prison doctor reckons that heroin is not particularly addictive, more of a lifestyle choice and a rejection of personal responsibility.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article690008.ece
 
#12
ViolentBadger said:
jarrod248 said:
It might sound difficult to give people clean needles but put this into perspective if someone gets infected with Hepatitis C the treatment costs about £10-£15k
Don't treat the scum. That saves the £15,000.
Sounds good to me. Anyone who tries heroin is a loser and should just be written off .How can anyone grow up in britain and not know heroin is
dangerous stupidity should hurt.
 
#13
jarrod248 said:
...who are ex-forces and have had a bad time are these also scum?
forces and ex forces are not scum they've served their country and should be treated, the rest can sod off and die don't waste a liver on them.

I pay tax as well and I'd rather it wasn't spent on these scum.

But then I'm a bit jaded, criminals and junkies have more spent on helping them than I get as a war pensioner.
 
#14
jarrod248 said:
ViolentBadger said:
jarrod248 said:
...who are ex-forces and have had a bad time are these also scum?
forces and ex forces are not scum they've served their country and should be treated, the rest can sod off and die don't waste a liver on them.

I pay tax as well and I'd rather it wasn't spent on these scum.

But then I'm a bit jaded, criminals and junkies have more spent on helping them than I get as a war pensioner.
I can't say everyone has had a rotten childhood and turn to Heroin some have, one of my patients as a small child was forced to drown his German Shepherd pups - he was at junior school, if he didn't do as he was told he'd have had worse beating than he normally got.

We have a national health service and have to treat our patients and also foreign patients, we don't have a choice in this.
The most I imagine our service spends on a patient would be about £3k a year. This cost adds up in my mind as a tax-payer as cheap.
Everybody hates Heroin users but if most people spent a day in clinic with me and saw how many people work, don't use Heroin, look after kids well then I think everyone would change their minds about this group of patients.
Huh?
 
#15
jarrod248 said:
ViolentBadger said:
jarrod248 said:
It might sound difficult to give people clean needles but put this into perspective if someone gets infected with Hepatitis C the treatment costs about £10-£15k
Don't treat the scum. That saves the £15,000.
Well if not treated for a Heroin problem people tend to commit loads of crime and cost tax payers loads of money. I'm a tax-payer.
I'd rather go for a cheaper option.
If somoene was left untreated for Hepatitis C how much do you think a Liver transplant might cost if one was available?
91% of patients that attend the clinic I manage stay in treatment, I think that's pretty good, some may use Heroin occasionally, plenty have jobs.
I have some patients who are ex-forces and have had a bad time are these also scum?
I understand the logic and respect your experience in dealing with this issue.

I however come from the other school of thought, i just think heroin addicts are greedy individuals, who have chosen their path and in turn rejected normal society. Unfortunately it is so wide spread in some areas that it has become normal society, and that is wrong!

So if the answer is some form of rehab, i am not entirely happy that the addicts have their selfish behaviour reinforced by receiving free treatment when there are other more deserving cases awaiting NHS treatment.

Addictive personality is the war cry, and surely the only way to break that cycle, is to force them to take responsibility for their actions.

Do we bring back the work house system where these cretins can work to pay back their due?

Take payments from them for the rest of their life (like the student loan system)?

or just leave it be, where selfish individuals have their chosen life and community wrecking experience, and the good old tax payer will absolve them of all responsibility thus not breaking the cycle just condoning it?

I am not a Nazi but i do think tougher action has to be taken. We are creating a monster that will continue to rear its head for at least another generation.
 
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#16
Why waste money on them, they had a choice and they chose to be low life, theiving, down and out scum!!

Someone who gets bowel cancer, or develops parkinsons or alzheimers etc. they cant get drugs to give them a better quality of life, so why should we waste money treating (and I don't believe thats what it is) druggies, they have no insentive to stop, and the ones that do go straight back on again as soon as the going gets tough! Spineless fcukers!

It makes my blood boil that our injured troops can not get the care they need when coming home from ops, yet we pander to filthy drug taking scum, and are meant to feel sorry for them.

They should be put down!!!

Edited to read: And so should the do gooders that came up with the idea. :x
 
#17
My oh my.

I have opened a can of worms, havn't I?

The Army has a zero tollerance policy on drugs and so do I. I do not know what the answer to this mess is but I do believe that giving the usres free gear is just flushing money down the drain.

These low lifes think the world owes them a living, but why should we sort out the mess that they created for themselves?

Once an addict, always an addict. Look at George best, ok, he was an alchy, but how many life lines was he thrown and he still drank himself to death!
 
#19
jarrod248 said:
T.F.R said:
jarrod248 said:
ViolentBadger said:
jarrod248 said:
It might sound difficult to give people clean needles but put this into perspective if someone gets infected with Hepatitis C the treatment costs about £10-£15k
Don't treat the scum. That saves the £15,000.
Well if not treated for a Heroin problem people tend to commit loads of crime and cost tax payers loads of money. I'm a tax-payer.
I'd rather go for a cheaper option.
If somoene was left untreated for Hepatitis C how much do you think a Liver transplant might cost if one was available?
91% of patients that attend the clinic I manage stay in treatment, I think that's pretty good, some may use Heroin occasionally, plenty have jobs.
I have some patients who are ex-forces and have had a bad time are these also scum?
I understand the logic and respect your experience in dealing with this issue.

I however come from the other school of thought, i just think heroin addicts are greedy individuals, who have chosen their path and in turn rejected normal society. Unfortunately it is so wide spread in some areas that it has become normal society, and that is wrong!

So if the answer is some form of rehab, i am not entirely happy that the addicts have their selfish behaviour reinforced by receiving free treatment when there are other more deserving cases awaiting NHS treatment.

Addictive personality is the war cry, and surely the only way to break that cycle, is to force them to take responsibility for their actions.

Do we bring back the work house system where these cretins can work to pay back their due?

Take payments from them for the rest of their life (like the student loan system)?

or just leave it be, where selfish individuals have their chosen life and community wrecking experience, and the good old tax payer will absolve them of all responsibility thus not breaking the cycle just condoning it?

I am not a Nazi but i do think tougher action has to be taken. We are creating a monster that will continue to rear its head for at least another generation.
It's also taken me many years to reach the conclusions that I have. I went from give them nothing it's their own fault and over a period of time - err years in fact to realise that detoxing against peoples will does not work.
I worked in the prison service for a number of years and used to see the same old faces year after year.
I now see the same old faces year after year but they aren't going to prison some are working, some have good families and nice children.
I used to hate Heroin users, now I see it's a really easy condition to treat but it has to be a long term treatment for many.
i do respect what you do i couldnt do it,

unfortunately i come from one of thse areas that has become a heroin cesspit, and dont know anyone of the (slack handfull) of ordinary decent folk that have not been a victim of drugs related crime.

i just struggle to absorb the sob stories i hear almost every day, they claim there life is so terrible but in my humble opinion they have, relatively, seen nothing and done nothing but satisfied their greedy urges to chase enlightenment through a syringe.

When the money runs out they dont decide not to do it anymore, they just decide that their next hit is more important than the pensioner next door eating this week. Or more important than my father walking for the next month.

I can not find any sympathy for someone who creates their own misery and in turn enforces misery on innocents around them. If it was a simple case of "well they dont do anyone any harm", but its not.

I do think you and those like you do a valuable job, because you seem to get results, but up here they just keep backsliding until they are dead, but in the mean time make community life a misery in the process.
 
#20
Jarrod248 makes a good point, and has first hand experience, I'd prefer the money from my taxes spent on something that's working and is making people who would either be scrounging benefits or costing greater amounts from emergency medical procedures, and is also cheaper, than going into another politicians pocket.

If addiction can be beaten, then beat it, and it means there is less drugs related crime because there are less people on drugs, ergo less need for money to be spent on crime prevention, maybe the saved money can go on something that needs it, say armed forces. (Don't worry I'm not naieve enough to actually believe any government would actually do that, but no harm in wishing.)
 

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