Free downloads - no harm done, or theft?

Free downloads

  • Is theft, like shoplifting

    Votes: 21 27.6%
  • Is not harming anyone

    Votes: 35 46.1%
  • Yo Momma

    Votes: 11 14.5%
  • Marry me, lovely Iron Duke

    Votes: 9 11.8%

  • Total voters
    76

TheIronDuke

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#1
Since a possibly interesting debate on another forum is descending into handbags and 'Yo Momma' I throw the question open to the learned members of NAFFI bar.

To be clear, we are talking about downloading films, movies, games from sites like Pirate Bay. Not legit free stuff.
 
#5
Originally Posted by TheIronDuke
Thieves seldom feel guilty I find. In fact you are stealing copyright material and the profit of those people who invested to create the game / movie / choonz. It really is no different to shoplifting.
What profit? I would never purchase the film so they would never have made any money from me, I don't share the film with anyone else, I watch it once or maybe twice and then delete it from my PC. What exactly have I stolen?
 
G

gladwda

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#6
I wouldn't steal a car, but i'd sure as hell 'clone' one if I had the technology and could do it passively whilst having a wank.
 
#7
The way it seems to be now is you are fucked if you are caught as an uploader or seeder (utorrent) and possibly if you are caught downloading, but as fast as they bring down the sites, others seem to spring up and i guess it is hard to police them, from the news i have seen in the past it seems that people only get fucked when ceetain brands like Mettalica get a proper bag on at people not paying for their music etc.
Woman guilty of illegally downloading music, fined $1.9 million
 
#9
i think its a bit like speeding, its against the law but as everyone does it (because there werent ways to stop it initially) no one thinks its that big a deal.
 
#10
As stated in a thread I started a while ago, I "researched" torrent downloads for photoshop elements 9. I'm no expert but as far as I'm aware, unless you have a static IP address it's difficult to trace the download.

Also, if you download a legit trial version then obtain a genuine license key then who's to know?

I do pay for music though, I have no problem passing on £7 for what I like.

FBG
 
#11
A bloke here in work downloads films, and copies them onto discs all the time. He doesn't share them, he keeps them for his own viewing.
He's on a waiting list for a new hip operation, and he's getting prepared for when he's laid up in hospital and back at his house.
He said about two weeks ago that he had over 700 films in his living room.
I'm sure Blockbuster call him occasionally to borrow films off of him.

I know if I attempted it, that with my luck, I'd be caught first time, and done to the full extent of the law.
 
#12
An IP address proves sod all, static or otherwise. If you're so inclined there is software out there which masks your true IP, you can also use third party hosting sites. Plus there's a little matter of wi-fi networks which are insecure & it's already been established in the High Court that the a/c holder can't be held responsible for an insecure network.
 
#14
An IP address proves sod all, static or otherwise. If you're so inclined there is software out there which masks your true IP, you can also use third party hosting sites. Plus there's a little matter of wi-fi networks which are insecure & it's already been established in the High Court that the a/c holder can't be held responsible for an insecure network.
Whereas over here in the fatherland the opposite is the case. If you don't secure your network you are partly responsible for what is done over it.

Court case a few months ago upheld a bloke getting charged 100euros by one of these firms that chase you for copyright infingement.
 
#15
UK Law has it's limitations & P2P sites, whether Public or Private are always one step ahead of the game, ie: it's only recently been lifted you could rip a cd to your mp3 legally so just goes to show how far behind the UK is on this matter, many sites move their servers abroad to Countries who are more tolerant,

BBC - Newsbeat - Laws relaxed on copying music and film content

ISP's as we all know are under regular pressure to tackle this issue, however without losing consumer's to rivals it will always be a battle, the Movie Industry IMO has a lot to answer for, paying huge salaries has that domino affect,

The Music Industry is just as much at fault, smaller artist's will continue to struggle due to the piracy issue

The end consumer due to the current financial climate will continue, as long as they can get away with it proceed to illegally download whatever they can, the gaming downloading is probably the worst offenders, I agree it's not right irrespective of Movie, Mp3 or Game but until the attitude changes from Consumers & the Industry alike very little will change..
 
#16
What profit? I would never purchase the film so they would never have made any money from me, I don't share the film with anyone else, I watch it once or maybe twice and then delete it from my PC. What exactly have I stolen?
The fee payable to watch the film, that goes to paying the salaries of the people who made it, the profits of the people who invested in it, and the investment in infrastructure for later productions.

It's no different to sneaking into the cinema or doing a runner from a cab or restaurant. Or taking 'free stuff' from a smashed-in window display in Dixon's
 
#17
Das Net Polizei would have a field day in my area here, a quick network check shows five open wi-fi connections. :?
 

Auld-Yin

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#18
Since a possibly interesting debate on another forum is descending into handbags and 'Yo Momma' I throw the question open to the learned members of NAFFI bar.

To be clear, we are talking about downloading films, movies, games from sites like Pirate Bay. Not legit free stuff.
Look, if you have found a site that deals with S**ds then just come out and say so. Stop this hiding your S**d fetish behind spurious posts! :)
 
#19
What profit? I would never purchase the film so they would never have made any money from me, I don't share the film with anyone else, I watch it once or maybe twice and then delete it from my PC. What exactly have I stolen?
Are you saying that if you couldn't get films off torrent sites you would never buy a film or a cinema ticket? Doesn't sound very likely.
 
#20
Bit of a difficult one this, it's not as simple as most make out.

First off, digital computers make copies of information. It's what they do. It's what the internet does. So trying to stop people making copies of digital information is and always will be doomed to failure. So the hardline never download anything ever crowd are pissing in the wind. They also ignore the fact that there are legal downloads out there for which bittorrent is bloody useful.

However, if people don't get paid to make stuff we'll see less of it and it won't be as good. So the whole freetard crowd can get bent too. Sponging wankers.

At the moment I see the problem as the distribution chain, the middlemen trying to justify their existence in a world where they have been rendered irrelevant. They stick to outdated ways of doing business and wonder why it doesn't work like it used to.

Take films - you used to see different release dates round the world as they had to physically move the limited stock of film reels from one place to another. These days they distribute digitally but keep the delays - and wonder why people get fed up of waiting and download a copy. Same with TV - fans of a series don't want to wait months to see it in the UK after it comes out in the US so they download it the day after it airs.

The irony is that people that into a show they'll do that will be the ones shelling out for the box sets and a significant number would pay to be able to get it anyway. But because media companies keep trying to pretend it's still 1980 they won't setup a scheme to take people's money. A lot of piracy is merely evidence that an untapped market exists.

Then there's DRM and those sodding annoying ads on DVDs and so on. They only affect honest people, so companies are training their customers to go elsewhere. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

I see the solution as twofold. First off, let people use media in the way they want to not the way some bunch of idiots in suits thinks is best. Secondly, once you can get what you want, when you want, how you want for a fair price then it becomes clear who the real freeloaders are.
 

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